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Started by nievesoliveras, December 21, 2008, 11:28:28 AM

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jadaro2600

The fence is grounded, it's probably acting like a Faraday wall or something.  You don't want to be connected to it.  Unless it's wood, then that point is moot.

Here's an Idea I had.  Not recommended for permanent setups.

Get a fishing pole, and take the hook off the end, attach a weight to it and cast it over a high limb of a tree ...then let the weight of the sinker bring it back down to earth.  Then attach an insulated wire to it, and draw the wire up - you now have an aerial which can be raised as high as the limb; it can later be taken down without being permanently in the tree.

You can then use this for your antenna.  You may just want to take your experiment outside.

Never really heard of wanting to get your line in the tree before have you?

Pirate88179

@ Jadaro:

That is a great idea, I may use that one myself.  Good thinking.

@ All:

Here is a video of my Bedini replication that I attempt to show the sounds of the rpm's through my stereo.  The thing I don't understand is that, I have a base resistor of like 460 ohms and two vr's of 5k each.  when I fire up the motor, the two vr's are closed down to their 0 point.  Once the motor accelerates, I can open up the primary resistor and it speeds up.  After a bit, I can then close the primary vr back to 0 and it goes into what I call...second gear, and really takes off.  then, I add some resistance on the primary vr and it goes even faster.  I have no idea why.

I am not attempting feedback to source yet so this is off-topic but, I would like to understand why this does this if anyone knows.  Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfprTzG5SY4

Bill
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nievesoliveras

Quote from: jadaro2600 on March 25, 2009, 08:48:17 PM
The fence is grounded, it's probably acting like a Faraday wall or something.  You don't want to be connected to it.  Unless it's wood, then that point is moot.

Here's an Idea I had.  Not recommended for permanent setups.

Get a fishing pole, and take the hook off the end, attach a weight to it and cast it over a high limb of a tree ...then let the weight of the sinker bring it back down to earth.  Then attach an insulated wire to it, and draw the wire up - you now have an aerial which can be raised as high as the limb; it can later be taken down without being permanently in the tree.

You can then use this for your antenna.  You may just want to take your experiment outside.

Never really heard of wanting to get your line in the tree before have you?

That idea is excellent, but I have no trees near my side of the building. I instead used an idea like the one on this graphic composition.

Jesus

nievesoliveras

Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 25, 2009, 09:51:20 PM
@ Jadaro:

That is a great idea, I may use that one myself.  Good thinking.

@ All:

Here is a video of my Bedini replication that I attempt to show the sounds of the rpm's through my stereo.  The thing I don't understand is that, I have a base resistor of like 460 ohms and two vr's of 5k each.  when I fire up the motor, the two vr's are closed down to their 0 point.  Once the motor accelerates, I can open up the primary resistor and it speeds up.  After a bit, I can then close the primary vr back to 0 and it goes into what I call...second gear, and really takes off.  then, I add some resistance on the primary vr and it goes even faster.  I have no idea why.

I am not attempting feedback to source yet so this is off-topic but, I would like to understand why this does this if anyone knows.  Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfprTzG5SY4

Bill

I watched your new video and I think that what is happening is that your motor is a good flywheel. The combination on the rotor of magnets and bearings makes it to have a very good flow and when you take off the resistance it accelerates naturally more. Because it has good flywheel situation it does not decelerate when you add a little resistance to it.

That is my opinion. I could be wrong though.

Jesus

Goat

@ nievesoliveras

I think there's a little more to it than you mentioned but the flywheel maybe part of what's happening in Pirate's setup.

@ Pirate88179

I watched the video a couple of times and that is indeed an interesting phenomenon which I have not seen on my Bedini motors, but then mine were using a 27 inch bicycle wheel with different ceramic magnet setups.

These are just my observations and please don't take them as negative criticism as that is not what is intended, only feedback.

Observations:

From what I see on your setup you have a base 470 Ohm resistor then two 5 K Ohm variable resistors (VR1 & VR2) all in series.

You fire it up and let it accelerate with VR1 & VR2= 0 Ohms.
When you increase the resistance on VR1 the rotor accelerates.
After awhile you decrease the resistance on VR1 back down to 0 Ohms and the rotor accelerates even more.
After awhile you increase the resistance on VR1 (? Ohms) and the rotor accelerates even more.

Conclusions:

There is some kind of positive feedback occuring by increasing and decreasing the base resistance but there is not enough data included to make an analysis of what if anything is happening at the batteries.

Notes:

The Bedini motors do operate like they have gears as you mentioned in the "second gear" statement but what I've observed is that at first my Bedini setups usually take about 80 or more miliamps to get the rotor turning up to speed then once it reaches a certain speed (depending on my different magnet setups) the amperage from the run battery drops as the rotor goes into second gear up to it's final speed.

The difference here is that I usually had to increase the resistance to get it to start the rotor then decrease the resistance slowly until I got it to the sweet spot then the second gear and drop in amperage would occur, yours however is quite differrent!!!

I guess the only thing I would suggest is to take Voltage and Amperage measurements on your run battery when you get maximum speed with 0 Ohms on VR1 & VR2 and see if the run battery is being depleted and at what rate. 
Also taking Voltage measurements on your charge battery to see if it's increasing, this measurement is where things aren't always what they seem though, this is where you would have to go through the charge/discharge process to see if it's just surface charge.

Anyways nice build, that's my 2 cents :)

Regards,
Paul