Hartiberlin, HairBear? Anyone into Physics possibly in Germany

[frog]

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Hello,

I am looking for assistance in locating a hard copy or possibly a PDF 
version of this book:

"Treatise of Physics in Elementary Presentation" by Arnold Berliner, 
Julius Springer, Berlin 1935

Translated by J. R. M. Radok

I know this is a long shot, but I am willing and able to purchase 
this book, if required.

Sincerely,
Me

It was worth a try. 

There is a 11 year gap between published findings if I purchase the 1924 edition. The 5th edition "1934" is in German, the
6th is a translation in english "1935". and these html versions we are reading have been altered, which is verifiable by dates
of death that are after the original publishing. There were many many new findings during this time frame. Remember, there
was WAR going on the entire time.

I would like to purchase the 1924 book for comparison, might make for interesting reading, But, there are quite a few books
that cover the "history" of physics, along with some very well documented journals and letters between researchers.

What I find interesting is the fact that these editions were written for the "COMMON" man, using everyday speech during WAR.

[hansvonlieven]

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What I find interesting is the fact that these editions were written for the "COMMON" man, using everyday speech during WAR.
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Sorry frog,

There was no war in Germany between 1918 and 1939. As to your comment about the language for the common man using everyday speech, this is not unusual in German academic textbooks of a technical nature.

This was a book intended to be used in tertiary technical education (Technische Hochschule, or TH) as a textbook, as the name implies. Now, in Germany the Technische Hochschulen are quite separate institutions that are quite different in character to the standard universities. They have university status. One thing that distinguishes them from normal universities is that all students must, as part of the course, spend one full year in a trade related to the subject they study; doing a sort of accelerated apprenticeship and doing very real physical work.

For instance an architect would work as a bricklayer or carpenter, a mechanical engineer as boilermaker or fitter and turner and so forth. As a result the language spoken in the TH's is far more down to earth than in in the universities. The reasons for this are simple. Graduates of these institutions are required to give instructions to tradesmen and labourers of all kinds in their chosen profession. Convoluted academic language would not communicate to these people at all and the job would never get done.

But, I am rambling.

What I really want to say is that I think the next step is to contact Rainer Radok. Apart from the fact that I suspect he is related to the translator of the book, he is the one re-publishing the material. He has at least a copy of the book, as the photo of the cover shows and would know more about the book, its history and its several and revised editions than anyone at Springer.

It should only be one of us that contacts him, that is why I have held back so far.

What do you think?

Hans von Lieven

[frog]

Hans,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Thirty_Years_War

Actually Germany was engaged in war during this time frame, they were in the early 30's. Germany backed Italy's invasion of Ethiopia.

Anyways, I love the info you shared about the technical manuals, "communication" is the one thing that causes many failings
with humans.

As for Rainer Radok, he/she may be an heir of JRM Radok. I sent an email to the University's department that has this hosted,
as well as Rainer's listed email address, which came back as allocated disk space over limit. The University has not responded,
possibly holiday's or Internet issues.

[pese]

Hey, need some help locating a PDF version or possibly a hard copy of this book:

"Treatise of Physics in Elementary Presentation

by Arnold Berliner, Julius Springer, Berlin 1935

Translated by J. R. M. Radok"

I've found a site which hosts a web version, but it's in Taiwan and subject to page not found errors lately.
Apparently Radok has passed away back in 2004. CD's used to be available of this translation from German.

Anyone having a PDF version that wants to share, I would really appreciate it. I've already searched through the
Library of Congress website as well as a dozen Physics Forums. Getting frustrated. This book exists out there somewhere
on the internet. Heck, even Amazon and Google books led to dead ends.

Thanks in advance
Frog

Hello Frog
the germ book is to have at 5Euro  (original used....
Gustav Pese

[hansvonlieven]

Tach Gustav,

Hast Du das PDF auf englisch gefunden? Wenn ja, kannst Du mir die Adresse bitte schicken?

Viele Gruesse aus Australien und ein schoenes Weihnachtsfest und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr.

Gruess die Porta Nigra von mir.

Hans