Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector

[Chris31]

uhhh well uhhh  this is all theory this is the way its done uhhhh in theory ya know.
this boards all theory didnt you know that.
fe

I think Im aware of that Yup, too many people seems to have the answer like they already have the working unit.

I seen a few in various forum building PLL, MCU controlled cell, etc etc, but they quickly vanish.

Well Im just trying my luck, you never know 

[dankie]

PLZ KEEP THIS ON TOPIC.

[fritz]

Has anyone seen great gas production when the circuit is at resonance? even for a short period, when that sweet spot is found?
uhhh well uhhh  this is all theory this is the way its done uhhhh in theory ya know.
this boards all theory didnt you know that.
fe

I would look for a decrease in current consumption - don´t think that the gas production will increase dramatically.

1) How to optimize /autocontrol the excitation of a resonator can be easily verified using a glass and make it singing with the fingertip.
No theory.

2) That you can achieve a high energy flow in time by pumping up a resonator is again no theory instead used everywhere.
I do that on a daily basis with my daughter on a swing. As long as my energy putting in equals the aerodynamic loss and the friction in the bearing - I can maintain a high energy flow form kinetic to static back and forth.

3)That this high flow is able to brake up water with the efficiency Meyer claims is the interesting thing.

Problem is that most of the people get lost in 1) and 2), starting to develop mindboggling theories on basic physical/electrical issues.
(Well, I might include Mr. Meyer at that point - BTW: he made his way thru)

Back to topic - the vic setup with ss wire can be seen as very elastic string attached to the swing (less damping) - This string "freezes", gets completly stiff in the situations when you fed the input pulse. (the back emf is induced in secondary and chokes, which are dominatly coupled by the mutual capacity of the bifilar chokes) The mutual capacity of the bifilar high resistive chokes accounts for that.

Its quite obvious that you can have the same result by shortly touching the swing in the right moment. (which is technically not that simple because we are talking about kilovolts)

[fritz]

Or if we stay in the electrical domain -
If the magnetic flux in the vic is stationary (in between the pulses) the load (our cell) "sees"  a high resistance (ss wire) with high inductivity which is very less inviting path for electrons. -> no damping, elastic.
On turning on the voltage to the low inductivity primary coil - the core gets charged with certain magnetic flux. Due to the builtin diode on the secondary - its not involved at that point in time (disconnected).
On turning off the voltage - the rapidly decaying flux appears as high back emf with reverse polarity - now our diode is conducting - and this flux induces all turns of the secondary/chokes simultaneously. At this point the mutual capacity in between the turns of the chokes "bypasses" the resistance of the ss wire (for this transient)- and you get a stiff powerful pulse to the cell. (This is even enhanced by the fact that both chokes are wound bifilar which  gives a very tight response).

The problematic thing is that the cell (which is somehow a compound complex impedance with dominating capacitive behaviour) needs an extra coil outside to form an electrical resonator. This means that if we take Meyers vic circuits in mind - part of the vic - and I think that the two bifilar chokes - act in a second role as terminating inductor (secondary bypassed by mutual capacity between the chokes) for the cell. (in some circuits he has one of the chokes tuneable - so he can achieve some asymmetry here to get the right inductance).
The secondary can´t play a role in this job - because of the diode. A resonance current induced by the chokes has to manifest as a corresponding flux in the vic core - otherwise he couldn´t use the sense coil to detect resonance.

This means that the cell and this inductive part have to be matched to a useful frequency which is difficult to calculate - additional the secondary + choke have to be optimized as pulse transformer + the primary inductivity has to be optimized for the pulse frequency to get as much flux as possible + it even somehow looks like there is a need to match the electrical resonance to a mechanical resonance in the outer tube excited by the involved coulomb force.

So even if you build a vic which is in first order a good pulse transformer - you only completed 10% of the job.

[dankie]

Fritz , stop the damage control , people know it was made with s/s coil wire . Dynodon will post a picture soon of the VIC and the Steam resonator coil . It was all made with S/S wire and it was all small .

Nothing is clear in what you say unlike what you think  , its all baseless opinion ... You have never tried anything besides that ignition coil . The evidence and scientific facts are all there for you to see for your own eyes .

These are a few links to show the kind of "resistance"  I and other people have received throught the last year .. Note that I am the only one who didnt get discouraged by this "resistance" ...

Looking back I find their attitude very suspicious and off-topic  ... But where are these people now  ??

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1027

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1033

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=953

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1082

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=802&start=15

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=3119&highlight=#3119