Finally I think I got it !

[wizkycho]

No, so the water in the tube does not have a tendency to fall back into the tank.

water would not fall down cause bottom of pipe is immersed in water. only if air enters pipe then water can drop. otherways water weight creates inner pipe preassure that holds
that water strongly.

...agree that sealing of MP when going down must be perfectly constructed, perfectly tight but on the other way not to cause friction (or very little). weight of MP must be heavy to overcome both friction and pump preassure in cilinder. but when watter weight in cilinder equalizes with weight in pipe then watter weight in cilinder itself is doing more and more all of the pumping action from pipe. (for better efficiency maybe MP should not go all the way to top...). when MP is going up sealing on edges should be low or none so to lower friction as much as possible.

seals like this exists - created on basis of one way preassure valves

Wiz

[wizkycho]

@ wizkycho,

You should really do some reading on hydraulics and hydrostatics. It is evident that you don't understand even the most basic premises.

Hans von Lieven

...you should stick to the topic and the system and be egzact what part you think doesn't work...
The topic is not me or my knowledge (there is much more at stake) or just any hydraulics and hydrostatics setup, my proposal is egzact specific setup (and is animated) so it's easy to be egzact.
Please ponit with finger where is a bug so we/I can debug it. ...and don't play God with Gods.


Wiz

[wizkycho]

Hi all !

Made some experiments and must confirm that Gravitator idea works 100% with COP in infinity.
Ingeniosity of this idea is supperpassed only by its simplicity.
If, already proposed by tbird, outpumped water hose (pipe) is connected directly to inpumped water hose
then bottom water container is not needed and allso preassure at the filling up part are not so great so sealing is easier to construct.

I assume further - to build this setup properly, weight(s) should be made as light possible to still be able of doing pump action
but on the other side not to be so heavy when weight ends up at the end of pumped out cylinder making F*l
(force(from gravity on weight) times lenght of lever) counter problematic action.so cilinder can make rotation.

My design ForeverPump with introduced boyancy has lower efficiency and overall strenght but still COP in infinity since gravity is not depleted.
to build it properly MP has to be heavier then air and lighter then water. the best is 0.5Kg per kilogram (at start) of pumped water and the thing is working perfectly.
When the cilinder is filled to certain ammount (over weight of water in IN pipe) of water then weight of water in itself is doing pumping more and more
It is easier to fine tune ForeverPump then Gravitator's setup...

but without Gravitators work there would be no ForeverPump....I declare it free to replicate, use, sell and make any type of profit.

Wiz

[wizkycho]

Hi all !

...since significance of this discovery is tremendous (free water pumping, generating free eletricity...end to polution)
I give my baby new name Knitel's InifinityPump

Wiz

[tbird]

...you should stick to the topic and the system and be egzact what part you think doesn't work...
The topic is not me or my knowledge (there is much more at stake) or just any hydraulics and hydrostatics setup, my proposal is egzact specific setup (and is animated) so it's easy to be egzact.
Please ponit with finger where is a bug so we/I can debug it. ...and don't play God with Gods.


Wiz

hi wiz,

i'm sorry to say, i think you owe hans an apology.  i agree he is not very specific, but has given enough (if researched) to find the answer.

his comment was basically you can't float the piston.  my come back was to increase the volume of the weight enough to displace more weight (water here) than the weight used to pump the water.   this would be well and fine except that the amount of increase for the given area of the piston/disk would require all of the space given for the stroke, not just some.

this brings us to his statement about  hydraulics.  this has to be applied because of the syphon effect.  liquids being what they are, must follow certain rules (not always what we want or think they should be).  i think where we get thrown off is in the beginning when we hear 100 lbs or 100 kg.  THAT's a lot of weight!!!  but really what we have to look at is how much is applied to each square unit (inch, cm, mm, ect.)  i use U.S. measurements so i would say pounds per sq.in. (psi).  so if we have 100 pounds spread over 100 sq.in. (that's 10 inches by 10 inches), this would equal 1 psi.  now we have to figure how much does the water weight in the supply tube (column) and then how much is that per sq.in .  let's say it is 1" x 1" (make it easy).  from the reseach we find that 1 cubic inch of water weights .036127 lbs.  so how many cubic inches can we stack up before we get to 1 lb (100lbs hanging from 10" x10" disk = 1 lb psi)?  well 1 / .036127 = 27.68 inches.  so now we know the "head pressure of a 1 inch square pipe 27.68 inches high, 1 lb psi.  EDIT:  that's as high as we can go with 100 lbs applied to a 10" x 10" disk sealed in a 10" x 10" cylinder.

this is starting to look like a problem.  not much travel.  in this we have to have the weight and volume to displace 100lbs and still have room to move water (stroke).  let's see, how much volume (displacement) does 100lbs require to float?  since we know 1 cubic inch of water weights .036127 lbs, we can say 100 lbs will require 2768 cubic inches.  since we already have a given surface area for the disk, 100 square inches, all we need now is the height.  so, 2768 / 100 sq.in. = 27.68 inches high.  that sounds just the length of our supply tube, which will leave NO room for a stroke.  NO STROKE, NO MACHINE!

there is always a possibility i made a mistake, but i don't think so.  if you see one please respond with propper reference (as you have asked hans to do).

btw, Gravitator's machine doesn't work either as drawn, but for a different reason (which he knows about).

i'm not trying to be a wise guy, but right is right.  thanks for your help hans.

tom