HydroMeyers Vic

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Outlaw

having seen the last episode with user fearjar and FarrahDay

I disagree

Chet

[Farrah Day]

Hi Chet

Yeh, it's been a while. Unfortunately I don't find that much seems to have changed around here in recent months.  The place still abounds with illiterate idiots as Outlawstc has kindly emphasised above. Still chasing their tales and going nowhere fast.

It seems to me that if folks really want to show everyone just how stupid they are, that they flunked junior school, that they know nothing at all about about science and that infact they even struggle to write intelligibly, then this is the place to do it. Yes sir, this is the place - it's like a competition for retards, with Hydrocars setting the benchmark.

I know from past experience, it's impossible to converse intelligently with these people, the level of general ignorance is simply too great. Even with education aside, most mental ages around here seem to be in single figures.

If moderators implemented a system whereby people had to demonstrate that they have a reasonable level of education and an IQ at least in double figures before they were allowed to post, then that would immediately eliminate 90% of the forum members - and perhaps bring some sanity to the posts. 

Of course that will never happen, so for the foreseeable future this will simply remain, 'The Muppet Show'!

My tolerance for stupidity is, and always has been extremely low, especially when people are continuously spouting absolute garbage, again and again. I don't tend to mince my words... what's the point? Most people around here would struggle if I used bigger words.

I would strongly suggest to anyone wanting to learn about electronics, or anything else related to this WFC subject to use proven, trusted and reliable sources in order to avoid the misinfo and utter nonsense that abounds on these threads.

For your own sanity, and with reference to these forums, take heed of the only useful bit of information ever provided by the infamous Hydrocars. Quote: 'Don't believe anything you see or hear!'

[fritz]

Quote: 'Don't believe anything you see or hear!'

Wow. Thats progress.

Don´t believe anything you see, hear or feel !

Never trust a coil,
Dont´t believe in DVMs,
Read good books on electronics/electrics before you inhale the vacuum,
Try to understand back-EMF as nothing outside the universe,
(....)

quite inspiring - will do a list.

rgds.

[Outlawstc]

wow i guess the books im reading are wrong... the only info pertaining to stans work i have posted is what i have read.. not theory nor misinformation..    read my posts people dont listen to these negative people here is a full post of truth.. farrah day/ buzz please inform where i have false information about electronics..



ladys and gents,

things to know about inductor chokes

1- The current that an inductor can handle depends on the size of the wire. The inductance
does not; it is a function of the number of turns in the coil, the diameter of the
coil, and the overall shape of the coil.

2- In general, inductance of a coil is directly proportional to the number of turns of
wire. Inductance is also directly proportional to the diameter of the coil. The length of
a coil, given a certain number of turns and a certain diameter, has an effect also: the
longer the coil, the less the inductance

3-Very small coils, with few turns of wire, produce small inductances, in which the
current changes quickly and the voltages are small. Huge coils with ferromagnetic
cores, and having many turns of wire, have large inductances, in which the current
changes slowly and the voltages are large

4- As long as the magnetic fields around inductors do not interact, inductances in series
add like resistances in series. The total value is the sum of the individual values. It’s important
to be sure that you are using the same size units for all the inductors when you
add their values.


-all in all we know that current is determined by size of wire used.
-inductance is determined by geometrical demensions of coil  and has direct relationship to number of winds.
-the longer geometrical coil the less inductance.. thats why 6-1 magnifies in individual cavities it is considered a 16th of an inch inductor. and its like having 14 seperate chokes in series. its also why the choke in his water polarization unit is small.
-Huge coils with ferromagnetic cores, having many turns of wire, have large inductances, in which the current changes slowly and the voltages are large

note of number 4- As long as the magnetic fields around inductors do not interact, inductances in series
add like resistances in series..
they are definatly interacting which would take away resistance in 6-1. this i beleave is why the all in one unit requires resistive wire.  then again depending on how the choke wire is wired you can have 2 seperate wires (Bifiliar) flowing the same way?


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here is fact not fiction so listen up,

Electrons can move rather easily from one atom to another in some materials. In
other substances, it is difficult to get electrons to move. But in any case, it is far easier
to move electrons than it is to move protons. Electricity almost always results, in some
way, from the motion of electrons in a material.

Electrons are much lighter than protons or neutrons. In fact, compared to the nucleus
of an atom, the electrons weigh practically nothing.

Generally, the number of electrons in an atom is the same as the number of protons.
The negative charges therefore exactly cancel out the positive ones, and the atom is
electrically neutral. But under some conditions, there can be an excess or shortage of
electrons. High levels of radiant energy, extreme heat, or the presence of an electric field
can “knock” or “throw” electrons loose from atoms, upsetting the balance

Ions
If an atom has more or less electrons than neutrons, that atom acquires an electrical
charge. A shortage of electrons results in positive charge; an excess of electrons gives a
negative charge. The element’s identity remains the same, no matter how great the excess
or shortage of electrons. In the extreme case, all the electrons might be removed

Conductors
In some materials, electrons move easily from atom to atom. In others, the electrons
move with difficulty. And in some materials, it is almost impossible to get them to move.
An electrical conductor is a substance in which the electrons are mobile.

An insulating material is sometimes called a dielectric. This term arises from the
fact that it keeps electrical charges apart, preventing the flow of electrons that would
equalize a charge difference between two places. Excellent insulating materials can be
used to advantage in certain electrical components such as capacitors, where it is important
that electrons not flow.

An EMF (electromotive force) of one volt, across a resistance of one ohm, will cause a current of one ampere
to flow. This is a classic relationship in electricity, and is stated generally as Ohm’s Law.
If the EMF is doubled, the current is doubled. If the resistance is doubled, the current
is cut in half.

It is possible to have an EMF without having any current. This is the case just
before a lightning bolt occurs, and before you touch that radiator after walking on the
carpet. It is also true between the two wires of an electric lamp when the switch is
turned off. It is true of a dry cell when there is nothing connected to it. There is no current,
but a current is possible given a conductive path between the two points. Voltage,
or EMF, is sometimes called potential or potential difference for this reason

i dont want to here any debates.. read lean understand..

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charges in a wire are caused by excess or shortage of electrons for copper atoms.

conductors allow more fluid transfer of electrons..
t
he stainless steel will create resistance less fluid like transfer

emf transformers put out higher current as frequency increases..

double the resistance current drops by half

10-20khz is a low frequency so lower current being forced by emf transformer primary to secondary
turns then take over for upping volts.. even more volts and resistance/ impeadance is added by chokes to restrict the low amp voltage.

positve choke gets super saturated with positve copper ions.. the capacitance of the choke means more volume for more positive copper ions to be stored.. they in return want electrons so bad there trying to steel waters electons.. it will go for waters before it will go for the negative excitor plate since the waters are closer.. any that try to jump in the form of current is choked of by resistance of neg choke.
when tuning negative choke to waters resistance you are mainly lowering its potential of neg to prevent it from being strong enough to cross.

hope this helps all

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Filter chokes
The largest values of inductance that can be obtained in practice are on the order of
several henrys. The primary use of a coil this large is to smooth out the pulsations in direct
current that result when ac is rectified in a power supply. This type of coil is known
as a filter choke

Inductors at radio frequency
The radio frequencies range from 9 kHz to well above 100 GHz. At the low end of this
range, inductors are similar to those at audio frequencies. As the frequency increases,
cores having lower permeability are used. Toroids are quite common up through about
30 MHz


Inductors at audio frequencies range in value from a few millihenrys up to about 1 H.
They are almost always toroidally wound, or are wound in a pot core, or comprise part
of an audio transformer.
Inductors can be used in conjunction with moderately large values of capacitance
in order to obtain audio tuned circuits. However, in recent years, audio tuning has
been taken over by active components, particularly integrated circuits


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toroid and pot core chokes will not work.. they can only be used in a pre determined circuit that doesnt need to be tuned..  stan is using a tunable negative choke. ruling them out. i know of two ways to make a tunable choke.. one is to finely sand a  line from end to end of coil and use a copper rod that can slide from end to end..  the copper rod is attached to secondary neg along with neg choke.. the other way is shown in pic.. allowing your ferro rod to be adjustabe.   the one in the pic would work really good for having ability of electronic control by means of servo.

please buzz dont disagree with my non intelect self.. remember i am a moron becasue i dont write like a 12th grade english teacher..


whoever read this became smarter.. and now has a better understanding of electric..

so tell me farrah day/ buzz where am i babbling non sense?


outlawstc

[dankie]

Here is something nice , something you will probably save on your computer

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=122