HydroMeyers Vic

[Dave45]

Meyer's also said you could mix with ambient air to change the burn rate so you need to figure out the mix and then meter your gas to get the correct flow rate.

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Outlaw
Dave @all

Here is an interesting analogy by H2 0 power [an absolute saint[added by Chet]


Has anyone ever wondered about Stanley Meyer's statement of using any water source for use as fuel? Most of us have an understanding about how the Water Fuel Capacitor(WFC) works, so we know if you put salt water in it the amp use goes up. We know that the water needs to be fairly consistent and the purer the better or the resonance will be swinging all over the place. Changing temperatures also have this effect on WFC's. So how did Meyer solve this problem? How could he now make this claim of using any water as a fuel source? He did so by getting rid of the WFC, and let the energy of the primed air gases break the water down for him.

It takes 1836 kJ/mol to break the bonds of water under normal conditions this number was discovered by Dr. Faraday many years ago. Now if you take into account what the Gas Processor is doing is striping electrons from the air making them have a much higher energy content then the answer of where this energy comes from to break the water down is in the air itself.

Looking at the reactions to break and form the water molecule:
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 1370 kJ/mol.
This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Lets us look at just oxygen, since it is the important part of the reaction, here are the energy levels of oxygen:
1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
4th 7469.2 kJ/mol                O2 an accelerator [as per user Buzz] [Chet added this phrase]
5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
8th 84078.0 kJ/mol

Now the 1st level doesn't have enough energy to get any useful energy yield out of it this way so you must get the oxygen at minimum to it's 2nd level of ionization.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. But this reaction is still less than the 495 kJ/mol of gasoline. So what do we do? Strip more electrons.

2nd energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 3388.3 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 4260.3 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 4260.3-1836 = +2424.3 kJ/mol, now that is 4.9 times as much energy as the reaction for gasolines 495 kJ/mol.
Since Meyer says he used the 4th energy level or lower lets look at that reaction.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol

It is easy to see how Meyer got his dune buggy to run on only an hho production rate of 7L/min now is it not? Now you can see the Oxygen has enough energy to break down the water molecule and re-react with it yeilding these high numbers. The electron affinity is what is taking place here, I belive, for the unstable Oxygen atoms wants the Hydrogen atoms more than the normal Oxygen atom holding the water molecule together does.
Now we can instigate a fight, for one of the class mates wants what the other has, all we have too do is spark them off



Now let us take another look at what Stanley Meyer has to say about this in his patent;

Thermal Explosive Energy
Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is you can use a spark plug or high compression to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit, so my only 2nd needed level might not be enough.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with it, with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor and a spark or high heat from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}

Chet

[Dave45]

Makes allot of sense, did Meyer get completely away from the wfc or did he use it with the injector, if used in conjunction with the injector it wouldnt take much hydroxy at all.

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DAVE

THE EVOLUTION HAD NO WFC

Dave won't leave you hangin  be back with a link

Chet

[dankie]

H2opower always was a great tester , not !!!!!