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Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!

Started by Magnethos, February 02, 2009, 08:37:03 PM

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Magnethos

Quote from: CTG Labs on February 18, 2009, 06:48:24 PM
How can you measure pure voltage?  A meter requires a small current to flow inside in order to get a voltage drop across it.  Pure voltage cannot be seen?!


D.
Maybe an electrostatic meter? A Scalar waves meter?  ???
I don't know

TinselKoala

Electrostatic sounds good. There will be an inrush of current while the plates go to their equilibrium positions, but once the voltage is on the plates and the instrument is indicating, there should be ideally no leakage current. Of course no instrument is perfect. But a good ES voltmeter won't even draw much current while it is coming up. I put up a video of an ES voltmeter hooked up to one of my mini VDG machines--its current is probably picoamperes--and you can see how quickly it comes up. This is probably the highest-impedance voltmeter type you will likely encounter, so it comes as close to a "pure voltage" measurement as you are likely to get, outside a standards laboratory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eogpGHFgV6E

NRGFromTheVacuum

Quote from: CTG Labs on February 18, 2009, 05:07:36 PM
Hi NRG,

The math looks good!  Can I ask though, and sorry if this has already been covered, you are quoting the printed capacitance values and of course they will have a manufacturing tolerance which could throw all the calculations off.  Have you measured the actual capacitance of each capacitor with a capacitance meter or perhaps used a known resistance and timed discharge method?


Thanks,

Dave.

Dave you make an excellent point,

I did indeed misinterpret the values written on the side of the supposed "1000uF capacitors".

They are .1 Farad capacitors, below is the address for the manufacturer's data sheet.

http://www.cooperbussmann.com/pdf/670fae07-c39d-4a13-852d-803aea8bc2a8.pdf


fritz

I can recommend vacuum tube (preamp) voltage meters.
>=100MOhm input resistance.
Maybe a little bit bulky - but - somewhat different than
what is used nowadays.

rgds.

hartiberlin

Quote from: capthook on February 17, 2009, 01:13:24 AM
Looking closer:

Test #3 is:

-37.38 volts?

So #3 should be disregarded.  It was really just a preparation for test #4 (or #3 if you now relabel)

But still, #4 apparantly shows a 10% gain.... hmmm, wonder why....
Is the coil still hooked up in these tests?
And is the coil still hooked up to the battery?
And the pulse time of #4 was much shorter than #1 and #2 as evidenced by the smaller power input.
(1/2 the pulse as test #1)

P.S. It would be nice to have a wider view so as to see how the pulses are done and what leads are being used.
I see the yellow lead from the capacitor...
And the green lead.. isn't that from the battery?
etc. etc.


Okay, I see, I misinterpreted it as 373 Volts..
Surely my fault, cause I could not really see the dot on the meter.

Well, the 4th test is now with 110 % the only overunity result...

Also the new video of him with 5 x 100.000 uF caps in series are all
underunity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYQnxDnHMiA

He  draws in the first experiment about 0.4 Joules from the 5 series caps and
gets only 0.096 Joules out at charging up the cap to 80 Volts..

It seems it depends on the cap´s inner resistance,
how good you can drive a high current pulse through the coil
at contact point.
As the 5 x 100.000 uF caps are all in series the inner resistance
is 5 times as high, so using the blue electrolyte cap in the other
video was much better, as it seemed to have less inner resistance.


So better try to use low resistance caps if you work with these systen,

Regards, Stefan.


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