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Started by Magnethos, February 02, 2009, 08:37:03 PM

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Low-Q

Quote from: EMdevices on February 25, 2009, 10:19:57 PM
guys,  once again the phenomena shown in the videos is because of the electrolitic capacitor's properties,  they are not constant and the simplistic equation does not hold.

A more appropriate equation is of the form:

C = A  +  B/(1 + w^2 t)

see this paper here:

http://www.millersville.edu/~physics/exp.of.the.month/104/index.html

EM
I agree. I have worked with sound for 20 years now, and capacitors has been a part of cross over frequency calculations. Any capacitor has its own inductance, due to the fact they are winded up like a coil. However, the two metal foils inside a capacitor is working in oposite direction to each other, but the process isn't ideal. So the higher the frequenvy is the greater the inductance will influence on the cross over frequency.

However, it exists expencive capacitors, which is winded in two operations in each direction. The foil is also made of gold, and there is oil as a dielectricum. M-Cap is a known manufacturer for these capacitors. This method requires a physically twice the sice capacitor to maintain the same capacitance. These capacitors has proven to be frequency independed when it comes to capacitance and ther are often used in expencive High End loudspeakers where tolerances are no issue. The price for a 1uF cap is often more than 50 dollars.

The other way to make a capacitor, is to fold the two metal foils like a fan, and is then compressed together to a flat square capacitor. These capacitors has no inductans whatsoever, but are unfortunately very expencive and ineffective to manufacture. These capacitors is manufactured by hand, by the way. The dielectrium is silk and line seed oil. Line seed oil is often used as a base in different house paintings to preserve the wood. The deal is how line seed oil capture water. Water is a electric dipole which never will be staticly charged. The silk can carry 50 times its own weight in water moist.
These capacitors are manufactured:
Like this: + \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ -
Then compressed:  + ||||||| -

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Magnethos

Quote@PaulLowran

The bifilar ferrite coil is the key to achieve "free energy". There are others ways to obtain pure voltage from the battery, but the other techniques are difficult to replicate (Al-Fe Wire, The Current Inhibitor circuit, etc...). So the best and easiest way is to use the bifilar coils to increase the time current needs to saturate the circuit. Using some high-inductive coils in series and a fast switch, we can extract pure voltage from the battery and charge a capacitor bank.

The maths here are not very important. Because if the efficiency is only 100%, there is still free energy because we're drawing pure voltage from the battery. If we don't draw current, we will have an infinite battery. The second point is the negentropy effect that NRG shown about the energy amplification. So, this device can be Free Energy (we're only drawing pure voltage without current), and Overunity (the output is higher than the input). The Relaxation Time theory can be found in some advanced books of conventional physics and engineering.

The best way to see if this works is to build the device, maybe using math is a little complex to determine if the device will work or not. The only option is to build the device.

Quote@All
We can try to replicate the experiment using other kind of capacitors. Maybe we won't get the "extra energy" as NRG shown (with electrolytic caps), but we will get pure voltage in the caps. In the link of the videos I posted in this thread I think the guy charged a cap (I don't know what kind of cap) with pure voltage.
The key is to discharge pure voltage in the caps before current starts to flow in the circuit. If we don't draw current from the battery, then we will have a unlimited energy source.

PaulLowrance

Quote from: EMdevices on February 25, 2009, 10:19:57 PM
guys,  once again the phenomena shown in the videos is because of the electrolitic capacitor's properties,  they are not constant and the simplistic equation does not hold.

A more appropriate equation is of the form:

C = A  +  B/(1 + w^2 t)

see this paper here:

http://www.millersville.edu/~physics/exp.of.the.month/104/index.html

EM

That's what I've been saying in this thread for days since the start-- dielectric absorption. Capacitance in electrolytics is dynamic, not static.

The other option is his cap is partially damaged. It could be far less than 7500uF. Regardless, this guys design is worth someone investigating, not ignoring. The only thing of interest to me in this guys design is the bifilar magnetic core. The exact dimensions, spacing between wires and core, and *exactly how he wound the core* is very important.

PL

hartiberlin

There is too much talk here,
we just need to replicate the experiment.

I am still busy with another programming project and had no time to try it
already.

Somebody else just grab 2 caps and a choke and a power supply and can try it ?

We just need confirmations of the experiment and some new numbers.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

PaulLowrance

Quote from: hartiberlin on February 26, 2009, 10:58:05 AMSomebody else just grab 2 caps and a choke and a power supply and can try it ?
No chance in hell of succeeding if that's all you recommend, Stefan. I'm telling you, if it's legit, then his bifilar winding was a freak chance of nature, like winning the lottery. I can't see how a perfectly wound bifilar magnetic core coil would work. This guy should try to replicate his own coil to see if it works. I'd bet the farm he'll have the exact same results as Marcus Wagner, which is a replicate that does not work!  Marcus Wagner went through the exact same thing. Marcus has built his bifilar coil many times, it does *not* have the "free energy" effect.

So after this guy builds other bilifar magnetic core coils to discover they don't work the same (no "free energy"), then he should get his video camera, start recording as he slowly unravels his original bifilar coil so he can learn exactly how to wind them.

This of course all presumes his caps are undamaged, and it's not due to any appreciable amount of dielectric absorption.

PL