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HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?

Started by hartiberlin, February 06, 2009, 12:59:24 AM

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MECC-1

I dont mean to pop anyone's bubble here, but I have finally gotten to the point that I think I need to say something.  HHO (Brown's Gas) and the research in different areas is a great thing in my opinion, however, most of you on this forum seem to be stuck on using HHO gas with an actual flame (such as a torch), and this, in my opinion is limiting many of you from actually going somewhere with the HHO stuff.
Hi, my name is Richard Will, I am the Chairman of the Minnesota Energy Conservation Council, an Inventor of sorts, a researcher and have a fairly strong scientific background.
Ok, so what do I think you should be doing?  Broaden your views on the use of HHO.  Example, did you know that if you take a catalytic converter from a car, use a torch to burn off any coatings, and then, with no flame whatsoever, you blow HHO into the catalytic converter, you will see the subtrate in the cat start to glow orange or red. (I am writing this in layman's terms for people that are not up to date on things). 
The new technology seems to have started in Italy, and is called an E-Cat.  This is not an idea that originated with me, but is something that I think some of you may want to start looking at, because the amount of thermal energy that comes from this, defies what you may believe in physics, and it has been proven by independent scientists.
Just trying to offer up the fact that you should not get stuck on a single idea when it comes to HHO or the variety of technology surrounding it.  Explore other ideas and avenues and try to make some advancements or clinical tests that can be shared with others, so that as a combined knowledge of many, that everyone together can progress.
Just my thoughts on the matter.

ramset

Richard
Have you done any Caloric testing on the Car "cats" as compared to strait resistor  heat ?


The recombination which occurs in Car catalytic converters is by no means more out than in , have you studied other catalysts and found otherwise?


That being said HHO,  Hydroxy Browns gas ETC needs much more attention and yes out of the box thinking,especially into its Odd reactive properties with certain elements .


With all respect
ChetKremens@gmail.com
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

MECC-1

Dear Ramset,
I am glad you asked, and are aware of other alternatives such as the use of cats.  Actually, the Cat from a car puts out a high level of heat with HHO gas - far more than the use of a flame.  The key, as you probably already know, is that the actual HHO gas has to pass over the substrate, with no flame whatsoever, in order to get the proper reaction.
Several things that I will divulge from our research to you:  When pushing the HHO gases into the Cat, you need to do several things that are fairly easy; First, the HHO gas should be disbursed as fine and wide as possible.  For our initial tests, we had a lot of success with using the brass "flashback" arrestor that you can find in the nozzle piece of a fuel oil furnace gun.  At some point, when I have more time, I will take some pictures of this item and how to remove it for everyone to see, and upload the pics here for everyone.  This is key, because if you try to direct HHO at that substrate through something like a torch tip,   the substrate will glow orange or red and produce too much heat and will ultimately light the flame of the torch.  YOU DO NOT WANT A FLAME - you only want the gases to pass over the substrate.  That is why you need to disburse the gases as finely and widely as you can.  If done correctly, even in a rudimentary setup, you shuld be able to get over 7-800 degrees from the lower part of the substrate within about 30-60 seconds.
The second key is that you need to enclose the bottom of the cat, so that the only thing that is flowing into the cat is the HHO gas.  The reason for this is that if you do not enclose the bottom of the cat, regular air will flow into the cat and cause a lot of excess water vapor to be created.  Once the substrate get the slightest bit of water on it, it will stop reacting, and then you are done.
As to your comment about other cat's, you can use a standard cat from a car, but try making some alterations to it.  Using a very fine file, file some nickle "dust" from a piece of pure nickle.  Put this into your cat and make sure you spread it around as well as you can.  Now, with a standard torch, heat the nickle so that it becomes soft and starts to "flow" down the substrate channels.  You dont want to block the channels, so don't use a lot of the nickle dust.  You will find that with the addition of pure nickle, that your reaction will be much greater.
It should be noted that we have found that the HHO gas does not react through the entire substrate of the catalytic converter.  In fact, we have found that the HHO gases are completely used up in the first inch or so of the substrate, and the only thing that happens beyond that point is that the HHO gases will start to turn back into water, which, as mentioned earlier, once water gets into this, you are done, until it dries completely.  Water is your worst enemy in this.
Because we have spent so much time and money on what we have been working on, I am not going to divulge all of our findings on this forum, but I will give hints and suggestions if asked.  As I stated earlier, when I have time, I will try to dig up some of the old pics from a few years ago from when we started working on this, so that those of you that are interested, it will help give you a foundation upon which you can build from.  Any questions, other than "tell us everything", are welcome. 
Rich Will; Chairman
Minnesota Energy Conservation Council

MECC-1

http://cloudfront.zoro.com/product/full/3AAE6_AS01.JPG

Above, is a link or an image (since I haven't posted images to this forum in the past, I am not sure if if this will appear as an actual image or a link).  You can see the nozzle for a fuel oil furnace gun.  With this nozzle you can see the brass filter that we use as a "diffuser" that I mentioned above.  This filter/diffuser piece actually screws into the nozzle, and is threaded.  It may take some work to get the 2 pieces apart, but they will unscrew from each other.  I am just taking some pics from other websites right now that will hopefully help you.  Here is another pic which shows the breakdown of the nozzle:

http://www.sthilairesupply.com/Handlers/ImageHandler.ashx?im=8A100.JPG

Now, the nice thing with this filter, that we are going to use as a diffuser, is that it does have a screw base on it, which obviously means we can easily attach it to an HHO torch or other HHO apparatus.  This will not only help disburse the HHO gases, but will also help to act as a flashback arrestor. 

MECC-1

Again, taking an image from the internet, this is what the inside of a catalytic converter looks like for those of you that are unaware: