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HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?

Started by hartiberlin, February 06, 2009, 12:59:24 AM

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MECC-1

This is what Nickle dust will look like before you add it to the cat to increase reactions:
Remember to only use a VERY small amount of nickel dust!  You do not want to block passageways or the HHO gases will not be able to pass over the material.

ramset

MECC-1


Thank you very much,I will report back with results.


Chet
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MECC-1

Chet,
For what it is worth, I'll give you this much to help you out.  In our initial tests, we used a full catalytic converter with no modifications, just to test the outcome.
What we learned right off the bat, was that most catalytic converters have a resin over them, that will allow for no reaction whatsoever.  The way to get around this is to take a simple propane torch and with flame, slowly move the flame over the entire surface of the catalytic converter on both ends.  The resin will bubble and usually turn white.  Getting rid of the resin takes a fair amount of work, as it sometimes likes to clog the shafts on the cat.  Once the resin is burned off, the cat will work properly, and the Nickle can be added, but do it VERY lightly, because our first attempt at doing it kind of bombed due to the fact that we added a little too much and started plugging the channels.
The next thing I will tell you is that using the entire surface area of the cat was interesting for testing purposes, but made a couple of things VERY clear immediately.  We were testing with both 1 litler per minute as well as 2 liters per minutes of the HHO gas.  You will note in your own testing, that even with diffusing the gas, the the use of the entire surface area of a standard catalytic converter will result in "hot spots".  By "hot spots", what I mean is that even at 2 liters per minute, it was not enough to put HHO gas into every single channel of that cat.  Because of this, some channels tested out (taking laser temps from the top of the cat) at 300+ degrees, while channels only a 1/4 inch away may have had temps in the 190 degree area.  Obviosuly, the reason I am telling you this is because while you will find a lot of answers yourself from test a full surface cat, when it comes right down to it, you will likely realize that you need to cut the cat open and remove the substrate and make a new housing that will work with the amount of HHO gas that you plan to use. 
Along with this, you should know that we found some very interesting data through our studies and research.  Very odd things, such as a small amount of the nickle, through the nuclear reaction, will actually turn into copper.  Something strange occurs that actually alters the nickle's atomic properties and molecular structure and gives it the properties of copper.  This does not happen immediately, but it will happen over time, which is why I suspect that Rossi has stated that the Nickle has to be "recharged" about every 6 months.
Also, as I had mentioned in an earlier post, you will find that the HHO gas does almost all, if not 100% of it's reaction on the substrate within the first inch.  Thus, another clue to you that once you dissect the cat and remove the substrate, that you will want to design your own housing and heat exchange system to draw the heat off.
On a store bought cat, the temp readings at the top of the cat may read only about 300 degrees with 2 liters of HHO, however, if you stop the reaction and take temp readings from the bottom of the cat, you will note that the temps will be in the 700-800 degree range, and these temps can be realized with 60-90 seconds.  These temps are consistent once they are reached, and the only reason they might lower is because of the presence of water vapor on the substrate.  past this, I will let you learn what you will from your initial experiments and tests, and then we can compare some notes.
For SAFETY REASONS I will mention the following:
In our initial tests, we diffused the HHO gas into the bottom of the catalytic converter, but did not seal the bottom of the cat becayuse with figured that the hydrogen gas would rise into the substrate and there was no reason to seal the bottom of the unit.  This turned out to be a bad idea one day.  As it turns out, at least from our testing for the past several years, the failure to seal the bottom of the cat and make a single hole for the diffuser to go into, can result in what is deemed as an "atomic firecracker", which is extremely loud and puts off a very bright light.  Kind of a nasty situation that I would just as soon help you to avoid.
Here is what we did after the explosion:  We did this in a very rudimentary fashion, but it worked.  The bottom of an aluminum pop can  was cut off.  As it turned out, for the cat we were using for initial testing, the bottom of the pop can, turned upside down, fir the hole in the cat almost perfectly.  From there, we drilled a hole in the center of the pop can bottom and inserted the "diffuser", which is really the filter from the fuel oil furnace nozzle.  This prevented common air from entering into the cat from the bottom and allowed for ONLY HHO gas to filter into the cat.  This solved the problem, and we never had another issue with an explosion.  Of course, upon learning this, we have had precision pieces made for our customized housing, but this was a lesson well learned, and I don't want others to have to lose their hearing for 3 days from the explosion.
The 700-800 degree constant transferrable heat that you can get from 300-600 watts of power on your initial tests/experiments will show you that this way of doing this has a lot of validity.  Once you modify your substrate and make a custom housing, you find that you can get even greater temps with less power, and that the temps are a constant.
If I may throw a suggestion out there, think about the use of this in the way of steam, power generation and home heating.  Once you have made you initial findings, modified a few obvious things and start seeing temps that are well in excess of 1000 degrees, I am sure your own thoughts will start to venture into many other ideas of how this energy can be used.  Oh, and as a footnote, during the day, because the small versions of this don't need a lot of power to create the HHO needed for reactions, please take into account that solar panels will easily create enough power during the daylight hours to make plenty of HHO, and keep this completely off the grid for many hours a day.
Rich

ramset

Rich


Have you ever done a fixed loss to ambient control test ?


thx
Chet
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

Qwert

Dear MECC-1. Normally, a catalytic converter in a car exhausting system has a purpose of cleaning the exhaust gases. What purpose it has in your device? More heat from hydrogen?