HHOHHU.com HHO heater. Is it overunity ?

[mscoffman]

Dear MECC-1. Normally, a catalytic converter in a car exhausting system has a purpose of cleaning the exhaust gases. What purpose it has in your device? More heat from hydrogen?

Let me answer this,

In the automotive application the catalytic converter heats up, running on unburned hydrogen. The catalytic converter
takes awhile to come up to temperature after starting the engine. The catalytic converter then acts as an oven to
burn unburned components of fuel left after the engine incompletely combusts it. The very high internal temperatures
ignites other components such as carbon, probably nitrogen compounds as well. This most likely heats the converter
to even higher temperatures. Most likely it superheats water in the air so that it doesn't condense in the exhaust system,
rusting it out.

In the HHO heater system the catalytic converter simply heats up, in doing so has at least a foot in the LENR process.
If there is overunity in this process then LENR is most likely the cause. Sterling Allan and MECC have both given a lot
of secondary evidence that LENR does seem to be occurring. The fundamental purpose of catalytic burning is that there
is combustion occurring with no open flame and at a temperature below the temperature of a flame, also combustion
is occurring over a wider area of material so there is less concentration in energy produced.

I am somewhat miffed that this information is about systems with probably over twenty years in practice. But yet
we get *no* information from neither the development technicians nor repair technicians that anything interesting
is afoot with it. This is a good example in a nutshell of how suppression results in a lack of progress...

Well, we know now.  Thanks to MECC for his information!

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Also to the person building the HHOHHU unit that the catalytic portion can substitute in a superior way for the HHOHHU
copper pipe cluster bundle and this is probably obvious.



:S:MarkSCoffman 

[mscoffman]

The link below is a video of someone building an experimental 30watt HHO flame. Notice
that the burning area seems to extend out about .3 * more then the length of brightened
area. You can see this as heat when he lights his cigarette. Hydrogen is said to have an
invisible flame that put out mainly UV light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j1U71Ih2vk

Now, I am wondering if catalytic HHO or H^2 + O heating can operate on even less energy
than it takes to produce the small 30Watt flame?

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The second thing I would like to point out is that there are other propane catalytic heating units besides
automobile catalytic converters. They seem to need to be run for a while to clean out "manufacturing
oil" which may be the same as the resin discussed by MECC. I suspect that these operate identically
in that the use the hydrogen from the propane is used to bring the carbon up to temperature before
initiating end state burning of their propane fuel. These may be more economic ways to access HHO
burning for many people. I also suspect most of what was discussed by MECC is relevant to these
units as well.

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While hydrogen is very light it has known deficient heating by unit volume of gas. I suspect that
that either internal combustion explosion or catalytic burning leads to the most efficient release
of the energy of hydrogen rather than flame heating.



:S:MarkSCoffman

[EdChe]

My advice? Don't buy plans. Chet is right, we will come out with one open source from here, open source everything.

Just build using parts and run it through the water safety device. Figuring out the nozzle seems to be tough, I have taken apart a lot of lighters so far in order to rig one in the "on" position, what kind of tip is used in a welder kit?

Here is a nice how-to video on making the cell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yItH6S_dUd0

I like the contribution that a computer power supply might be used. Something that gets a 12V, lots of current? The 110V from the wall heated up the water so much it started to melt the peanut butter jar (where I have the cell in).

Looking forward to seeing a house heater come out of this, one that's simply do-able to make.

[EdChe]

This person is making hydrogen dry cells very effective. I use a computer power supply for the DC-in, like a laptop one?

http://www.labellasautorepair.com/fueledbywater.htm

Find you the 3/8" hoses and barbs as well as any corners.

Woodpecker eg, any link to a proper nozzle for order would be appreciated, have been working on this piece for a long time guys and this will be a nice thing to live with, heater or also heats water or cook over; that's my use for it seems like there are others too, thanks guys.