ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[Magluvin]

Hey void  Ill check that out.  I would venture to say that hopefully it is not fooling us. Why write a sim that starts us off in the wrong direction or just a bad position.  Maybe there is a range of properties for an inductor, that can be in the other direction of this Approximation.  I dunno.  But good find. I had thought of it when changing values but figured stay in default for the reasons above.

Mags

[nievesoliveras]

Be careful with the sim results. Last year I was experimenting with it and it tricked me to think that I had OU.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg213051#msg213051

Jesus

Update:

Link explaining a mistake
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg214215#msg214215

I thought That I had closed the loop.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg215575#msg215575

The code for the simulated circuit
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg215716#msg215716

I do expect that you are not pasing for the same thing.
So I do wish you all the success that you can attain.

[Magluvin]

Hey Void

I tried, using my last circuit posted, and first I changed the input coil and turned on the power switch, and it doesnt seem to affect that function much. But I did the lrc coil and  that coils is just way damped.  Your right, we need to find out what it means. I used to know this. Ill get it.
I wonder if it would have to do with air core or iron core?      Iron core for low freq and air for high freq.

Our source to charge cap is very low freq, and is not affected by the approximation option so that coil will work well for that end of the circuit, where as the lrc is working a high freq.    Ill go check for sure as to if im correct.


Mags

[void109]

Mags - I'll be interested to read what you find regarding how the approximation is affecting the circuit.  I'd dig into it tonight myself, but I have other life matters (such as yard work!) that's eating my afternoon/evening

[Magluvin]

Hey Jesus
I looked at that circuit and i see that diode and cap in series, the diode with like 214mv on it. This can give the program a bug.  Imagine any charge or current going through that diode, it will very quickly charge that cap and eventually, the cap can no longer be influenced to charge any further unless it has the opertunities of power to pump that cap till it pops.  Unless that is the function there, to just keep launching a higher and higher pulse to get that cap higher.  But it can never discharge. Never. Maybe diode leakage, or cap leakage.  Its just that part of the circuit does not make sence to me, so why should the sim understand it.  ;]

I have had situations in the sim like this and it can cause anomalies or just no function at all once the cap is full and cannot discharge back through the diode. The 2 parts just be come dead to the rest of the circuit.

But I do head your warning. And we all should remember that this is just a sim and some theory.  I had a complicated bunch of resonating coils and caps that once charged, started building on its own. But the fine tuning was just silly. It would take a great deal of time to go at it for real.  This is interesting and shows promise.

If anything at all,  I think the EXTRA coil is what we have in the source to cap circuit. Why have it there at all,to stop dc impulses?  Yep it does that.  But add a diode and your pumping that cap to almost twice the source.  Try it, it works.  Its not the normal chopper circuit way.  Its a one shot inline current pump. Throw extra coils and diodes where ever a pulsed dc charge is to be sent and see if there are results. Better than a resistor.

I also see the Extra coil effect in the lrc. The coil has an opposition to current change. And some of that means that if we have current flow, the coil is reluctant to it slowing down in ideal conditions.  So we have the coil being charged up with current, and when we let loose, she pumps a whole bunch of current fro one side of the cap to the other. Thats where we get such high voltages in the cap. And the smaller the cap, the higher the voltage potential is, and sets it off into the coil again. So its just a kind of mechanical function if you can visualize it.  Can it be done mechanically?  Maybe.


Mags