ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[gyulasun]

Hi Bob,

Just noticed your mail,  maybe the 4 turns cannot make high enough inductance for the primaries?  Because the oscillation frequency of the the two relays could be low (less than 100-200 Hz?)  so the 4 turns may represent quasi short circuit unless your ferrite core has an extreme high permeability. Also, perhaps the steel wire (is it attracted by magnet?)  is not the best choice here where there surely are unknown factors not told by Teets but who knows maybe the steel wire the winner... 
What uF and DC rated capacitors do you happen to use?

good luck,
Gyula

[Bob Smith]

Hi Gyula
Thanks for the feedback. I'll go ahead and try once I've got it all hooked up.
I started off with two simple EM relays like this one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Relay_Parts.jpg but little result. Also noticed no spark. Tonite, I'll use a cradle relay, which actually produces a spark 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Relay2.jpg

Bob

[totoalas]

The way I  wound the coils is with primary coil on top of the secondary and secondary from first coil connects via diode to the cap 2 then the same here, secondary from the second coil connects via diode to cap 1.
Above quote from Romerouk
Hi Gyula
my understanding is caps are connected opposite source charge
meaning when L1 is energized by C1, the secondary sends the charge to C2
and when C2 is close the secondary L4 sends the charge to C1
please correct me if im wrong
totoalas

[gyulasun]

The way I  wound the coils is with primary coil on top of the secondary and secondary from first coil connects via diode to the cap 2 then the same here, secondary from the second coil connects via diode to cap 1.
Above quote from Romerouk
Hi Gyula
my understanding is caps are connected opposite source charge
meaning when L1 is energized by C1, the secondary sends the charge to C2
and when C2 is close the secondary L4 sends the charge to C1
please correct me if im wrong
totoalas

Yes I hope I get what you mean and how Romero meant but in case of Romero we do not know his coils phasing for that description he wrote but it could be figured out of course. On phasing I mean the black dots I used in my drawing.  You can influence phasing by winding sense (cw or ccw) or simply by replacing the wire ends of a coil.
So I apologize if I used the black dots on the wrong place, I believe they are correct.  I based the placement of dots on considering bemf spikes at switch-offs of the primaries and those spikes I think appear with positive polarity at the dotted wire of L3 when L2 is just switched off,  and the spikes will appear with also positive polarities at the undotted wire of L4 when L1 is just switched off, so in both cases the diodes would direct those positive spikes into the caps as shown.
Maybe I am wrong and confused something, please anyone comment if this is the case, I did not test this in practice.

Thanks, Gyula

EDIT tomorrow I will make a drawing as per Romero described it with the single diodes, must finish now.

[totoalas]

thanks gyula
but if in your drawing  L3 secondary ( from 2nd primary)  and L4 secondary ( under L1 primary) then its correct.....  anyway
one more day and Ill be off to test .....the circuit.....
all wirings are connected to terminal block for easy alteration 
im just preparing all the parts for the tests tomorrow.   any update info/ drawings are welcome
totoalas