Knitel's InfinityPump

[tbird]

hi hans,

i think you missed the change.  wiz is suggesting to pump the water up with an external pump installed in the riser tube that he hopes can be powered by the 2nd unit when the now mainly float (reduced weight) floats up.  with the pump, the sucking (pumping) job of the weight is not needed.

the question now is will the float's motion be enough when converted to work the pump long enough to fill the cylinder.

any new thoughts here?

tom

[hansvonlieven]

If the float is lighter than water it will rise to thee top and stop there, blocking the water flow in the riser tube.

If you need an external pump to power the thing what is the point, the contraption does not amplify energy, it wastes it. You are better off with the external pump in its own.

Hans von Lieven

[wizkycho]

all !

What ?

No new paradoxes ?

Listen to this relationship that renders it more likely to work:
while increasing bouyant ability (force) of floater in the same time is lowered volume of water needed to fill the cylinder to the top. (cause volume of floaster increases)

for now I'll fly with this rubber dingy...and when i'm ready to land I'll do calculus...or you may...I'll land anyway

Wiz

[tbird]

hi hans,

i guess i have to say i'm sorry to you.  from your last 2 posts, i get that my descriptions (reply 241 & 245, if you read them) of how wiz changed the design wasn't good enough for you (and maybe others) to follow.

let me try again for the 3rd time to get you on track with us.

yes there is an external pump involved, but no external power.  the pump, as suggested by wiz, will get its power from the motion of the float.  since he talks about a magnet, i believe he will attempt to collect this energy in the form of electricity.

as i said before,

the question now is will the float's motion be enough when converted to work the pump long enough to fill the cylinder?

If the float is lighter than water it will rise to thee top and stop there, blocking the water flow in the riser tube.

where's your imagination?  are you getting the cart before the horse?  if you get how wiz is trying to make his unit work, can't it be constructed so that this is not a problem?  if you are still not getting it, please say so.

hans, i was very impressed with the completeness of your reply #242 to Koen1 about flight. it would help me (and maybe others) if you could use that style when replying to posts here in the future.

tom

[wizkycho]

If the float is lighter than water it will rise to thee top and stop there, blocking the water flow in the riser tube.

but is in HTA phase (heavier then air - air is bellow diver) so it wan't, although nothing is impossible

If you need an external pump to power the thing what is the point, the contraption does not amplify energy, it wastes it. You are better off with the external pump in its own.

Hans von Lieven

but then nothing would oscilate. I'm trying to make diver to oscilate and pump little water.

Wiz