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Lorentz force VS Centrifugal force. WM2D simulation show overunity of infinity.

Started by broli, February 21, 2009, 10:31:09 AM

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broli

February 21, 2009, 10:31:09 AM
When I went to sleep last night in my bed I was thinking of a rotating charge in uniform B field. What I was then looking at was the way the Lorentz force acts on this charge. The illustration below shows a charged mass being rotated in a magnetic field pointing inside the screen and the resultant Lorentz force. As you can see the force is radially inwards.

http://www.physics.sjsu.edu/becker/physics51/images/28_13A_Orbit_in_B_field.jpg

Now here comes the interesting part. What if we consider the centrifugal force of the particle. Which is F=m*v^2/r. Let's use another "what if" and state that the centrifugal force will win from the Lorentz force at all times. Oke...but what does this mean???

Essentially it means when rotating the charged mass it will make a spiral like path outwards. This is the same question as "what happens if you rotate a bowling ball attached to a rope around and the rope starts to slip from your hands gradually. Essentially the ball will increase its radius but still spiral around. Your hands in this case are the Lorentz force, since the centrifugal force is too high for the grip it will spiral outwards.

This is where the fun begins. Because if it spirals outwards it means it's moving outwards in the magnetic field. Again the the Lorentz force will apply to this radially moving charged mass. The shocking part is that it will apply TANGENTIALLY to the spiraling motion AIDING IT. But if it aids it it means the speed will increase but if the speed increases it means the centrifugal force increases but if the centrifugal force increases it will spiral even faster out but if it spirals even faster out the TANGENTIAL force will increase even more...basically you'll have a runaway effect each feeding the next thing. So essentially everything will increase exponentially until it explodes.

I have a wm2d simulation of this. I'll post it in a moment until I double and tripled check everything. I might also make more elaborate presentations. To help on the visual side.

But for now this can make some brains work.

Wm2d file uploaded. Please ask all the questions in the world I'll be glad to clarify it.

Left wheel is with magnetic field and all Lorentz forces. Right wheel is no magnetism at all, only centrifugal force. Both are given the same energy input by a torque which gets shut off after a few seconds. Left one behaves very similar to right one for a moment BUT then it explodes exponentially.While right one just slows down to a halt.

cameron sydenham

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February 21, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
wow, I wonder if you have read any of my posts on the motor we have built.

mindsweeper

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February 21, 2009, 03:15:49 PM
Are you working in a vacuum broli?

Air resistance is set to none. perhaps that does not matter ?

broli

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February 21, 2009, 03:23:50 PM
Quote from: cameron sydenham on February 21, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
wow, I wonder if you have read any of my posts on the motor we have built.

Please link because I haven't.

Quote from: mindsweeper on February 21, 2009, 03:15:49 PM
Are you working in a vacuum broli?

Air resistance is set to none. perhaps that does not matter ?

Yes I am. Air resistance shouldn't matter. This is only to demonstrate the exponential runaway effect.
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