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[Yucca]

Yucca,
You say - Gold is the oldest form of money,
I say  is the oldest form of money.

S e x, is the oldest form of worth (currency) with regard to being able to perform a transaction with it and in many ways it is still the axiom of worth. But money means you can store it in the form of a token, money is an abstraction of worth.

[brian334]

Yucca,
Go try to spend gold some where, see what you get.
Go try to buy a car and pay them with gold.
Go try to buy food and pay them with gold.
The only thing you can buy with gold is paper money.

[christo4_99]

The only thing you can buy with gold is paper money.

if you believe that you have fallen for the banana in the tailpipe!(ala Beverly Hills Cop)there is no way it's a fair trade unless the market is on it's way down.one way to think of real value is scarcity,another is labor involved in attaining something.paper money is worthless in that it is produced out of thin air.no labor...so in times like these(the money system) there is only one way to alter the market and that is scarcity.

[PYRODIN123321]

maybe we can get our grubby little hands on Ohbummers american recovery and reinvestment act which will just totaly blow cash out its ass.....free money whoo enjoy it while its worth something

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[jadaro2600]

S e x, is the oldest form of worth (currency) with regard to being able to perform a transaction with it and in many ways it is still the axiom of worth. But money means you can store it in the form of a token, money is an abstraction of worth.

I knew I was worthless.  Neither is their storage or fluidity.