Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

[lostcauses10x]

Hmm lets see the NSA shows up take the original and can not get it to work. Now how long before others try before some one goes to see the Mylow machine. The idea of taking the material for a replication that can be removed from the area is also great.

Now the question will be if Mylow would allow such.  This will be the telling of the situation it seems.

[sterlinga]

Follow up from http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/361

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Mylow just phoned me and said that his motor stopped at around 7:15 Central this morning; so it had run nearly 12 hours since last night when we talked.

He said that as it came to a stop it did not cog, but just gradually slowed to a stand still.  It stopped where the stator was at the largest gap between magnet sets.

He said the slowing was very gradual the entire time, not sudden.

He said the rotor magnets are now essentially deal.  They don't even attract iron filings, and they won't stick to each other.

This is the first time Mylow has let the motor run until it slows to a stand still.

What is amazing to me about this is that he could even get rotation with magnets that are so weak.  To me, it tells us that the magnet strength level is not a crucial component.  I'm guessing that the spacing between individual rotor magnets, and the gaps between rotor magnet sets is unique to the stator magnet size and relation. and that this may be a narrow window of operation with a much smaller tolerance for variation.

He did shoot a short video of it while it was still running.

He sent two rotor magnets and stator magnets to PMMTester this morning so that he can get the exact dimensions of them, and determine the composition of the first stator magnets.

Mylow is going to spend the next couple of days hunting for some new rotor magnets to put on.  This will be a good time for him to find a magnet that not only he can use, but which after he gets it working (if that magnet works), he can give the part number and source so others can get the same magnet for their replication.

He did see the two videos I finally got posted from the "Bob" from Utah County replication:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replication:Bob_from_Utah_County

He said he couldn't quite see the stator-rotor relation well enough to comment on why this configuration might not be working.  I plan on playing with it after sending this report off.

Now that he doesn't have something running, the question of me flying to Chicago to see his motor is for now a moot point. 

I should also mention that next week I'm being flown Estonia (former Eastern Block country) to give a presentation on Geothermal energy, featuring Raser, which is one of the Top 100 technologies in our listing at http://Top100Energy.com  I'll be gone from the 15th through the 19th, but I will have access to the computer.  I mention this to let you know that I will not be available to do anything by way of physical testing during that time.  I sure would love to have a magnet motor to bring with me to show them on the side.

I hope Mylow will forgive me for sharing this next thing, but I think it is a fun part of the history to be included with this saga, looking at the dynamics of human emotions and responses to things like this.  Shortly after the MIB incident, like a day or so after, he and his wife had quite an argument.  She wants him to stop working on this.  "It's causing problems."  Mylow said that things got so heated in the exchange that she actually took a broomstick and started whacking the motor, making magnets fly off and such.  He had to restrain her and calm her down.  "We'll be okay.  Just relax."

I would ditto that.  The more open we are, and the less fearful, the better off we'll be.  Bullies have no power when there is no fear, and the modus operandi stays in power through fear.  A new world is coming, based on distributed power and individual responsibility and empowerment.  Destiny is on our side.  It's part of our collective human progression forward.

Keep up the great effort, everyone.


In answer to those who have criticized me for selling plans (an adjunct to what is available for free from our open source pages) even before Mylow's motor has been replicated by someone else, here are the reasons why I believe this thing (Mylow's replication of Howard Johnson's motor), starting with the most important to least.

* I've long believed in the possibility of an all-magnet motor being able to provide base-load power.  It is not perpetual motion.  It is harnessing some new aspect of magnetism that hasn't yet been appreciated by science, but will.

* Howard Johnson was required to have a working model in order to get a patent from USPTO.  He has three patents.

* Mylow's design is very close to Howard Johnson's Stonehenge model.

* The myriad of videos Mylow posted are very convincing, showing acceleration followed by maintenance of an equilibrium speed, accompanied by very gradual slowing due to magnet depletion.  Though not skeptic proof, the videos do reveal a lot and correlate with what Mylow has been telling us verbally.

* The movement of the motor as shown in Mylow's videos is consistent with what I would expect from a magnet motor.

* The audio elements in the videos are consistent with what is happening visually, and with what I've heard over the phone as we've talked.

* The partial replications that I've seen, exhibit similar (though not complete) movement to what is shown in Mylow's videos.

* Al Witherspoon said he saw Howard Johnson's motor running in 1978, and has been a friend/neighbors/business associate with HJ until he passed away last year.  He is convinced Mylow's motor is for real.

* The level of skill required to pull off a hoax are far beyond what Mylow possesses, whether it be embedding hidden motors or induction or video editing or other means of giving the appearance that shows up in his videos.  The background, between the lines, things that I've been able to pick up while talking to Mylow by phone have been consistent with what he has been telling me.  He lives in an apartment, drives truck hauling things around Chicago, works near his residence, has a wife and twin brother, etc.  These are not aspects that would be present if he had the level of skill required to fake all of this.  And what would be his motive?  He's not ever asked for money.

* Mylow has never once exhibited even the tiniest interest in getting money from this.  It has been hard for me to even broach the subject with him.  With many inventors, and certainly fraudsters, that's the first thing on their mind: money.

* The magnets deplete (I'm hopeful that a configuration can be found that doesn't result in depletion, e.g. neodymium magnets in a plastic assembly)

* The stator magnet gets cold, which is what others have predicted and observed in related modeling.

* History often shows that the weak and simple confound the mighty.  New wine can't be put into old bottles.  The establishment is too stick on themselves.  The recent MIB incident is part of this transition phenomenon -- the old guard fighting the new thing that will make them obsolete.

* With the old guard in the middle of tearing down the economy to establish their world dictatorship, the timing is right for the emergence of a revolutionary, empowering technology like this.

* More, this is a partial list.


I think that is a very good list of reasons to believe in Mylow's claims and support the open sourcing of this design, and prepare some clear plans for those who want things distilled better than what is available for free on our site.

Sterling
http://mylowplans.com - download the plans
http://mylowmagnetmotor.com - open source project page

[plengo]

Follow up from http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/361

==========

Mylow just phoned me and said that his motor stopped at around 7:15 Central this morning; so it had run nearly 12 hours since last night when we talked.

He said that as it came to a stop it did not cog, but just gradually slowed to a stand still.  It stopped where the stator was at the largest gap between magnet sets.

He said the slowing was very gradual the entire time, not sudden.

He said the rotor magnets are now essentially deal.  They don't even attract iron filings, and they won't stick to each other.

This is the first time Mylow has let the motor run until it slows to a stand still.

What is amazing to me about this is that he could even get rotation with magnets that are so weak.  To me, it tells us that the magnet strength level is not a crucial component.  I'm guessing that the spacing between individual rotor magnets, and the gaps between rotor magnet sets is unique to the stator magnet size and relation. and that this may be a narrow window of operation with a much smaller tolerance for variation.

He did shoot a short video of it while it was still running.

He sent two rotor magnets and stator magnets to PMMTester this morning so that he can get the exact dimensions of them, and determine the composition of the first stator magnets.

Mylow is going to spend the next couple of days hunting for some new rotor magnets to put on.  This will be a good time for him to find a magnet that not only he can use, but which after he gets it working (if that magnet works), he can give the part number and source so others can get the same magnet for their replication.

He did see the two videos I finally got posted from the "Bob" from Utah County replication:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replication:Bob_from_Utah_County

He said he couldn't quite see the stator-rotor relation well enough to comment on why this configuration might not be working.  I plan on playing with it after sending this report off.

Now that he doesn't have something running, the question of me flying to Chicago to see his motor is for now a moot point. 

I should also mention that next week I'm being flown Estonia (former Eastern Block country) to give a presentation on Geothermal energy, featuring Raser, which is one of the Top 100 technologies in our listing at http://Top100Energy.com  I'll be gone from the 15th through the 19th, but I will have access to the computer.  I mention this to let you know that I will not be available to do anything by way of physical testing during that time.  I sure would love to have a magnet motor to bring with me to show them on the side.

I hope Mylow will forgive me for sharing this next thing, but I think it is a fun part of the history to be included with this saga, looking at the dynamics of human emotions and responses to things like this.  Shortly after the MIB incident, like a day or so after, he and his wife had quite an argument.  She wants him to stop working on this.  "It's causing problems."  Mylow said that things got so heated in the exchange that she actually took a broomstick and started whacking the motor, making magnets fly off and such.  He had to restrain her and calm her down.  "We'll be okay.  Just relax."

I would ditto that.  The more open we are, and the less fearful, the better off we'll be.  Bullies have no power when there is no fear, and the modus operandi stays in power through fear.  A new world is coming, based on distributed power and individual responsibility and empowerment.  Destiny is on our side.  It's part of our collective human progression forward.

Keep up the great effort, everyone.


In answer to those who have criticized me for selling plans (an adjunct to what is available for free from our open source pages) even before Mylow's motor has been replicated by someone else, here are the reasons why I believe this thing (Mylow's replication of Howard Johnson's motor), starting with the most important to least.

* I've long believed in the possibility of an all-magnet motor being able to provide base-load power.  It is not perpetual motion.  It is harnessing some new aspect of magnetism that hasn't yet been appreciated by science, but will.

* Howard Johnson was required to have a working model in order to get a patent from USPTO.  He has three patents.

* Mylow's design is very close to Howard Johnson's Stonehenge model.

* The myriad of videos Mylow posted are very convincing, showing acceleration followed by maintenance of an equilibrium speed, accompanied by very gradual slowing due to magnet depletion.  Though not skeptic proof, the videos do reveal a lot and correlate with what Mylow has been telling us verbally.

* The movement of the motor as shown in Mylow's videos is consistent with what I would expect from a magnet motor.

* The audio elements in the videos are consistent with what is happening visually, and with what I've heard over the phone as we've talked.

* The partial replications that I've seen, exhibit similar (though not complete) movement to what is shown in Mylow's videos.

* Al Witherspoon said he saw Howard Johnson's motor running in 1978, and has been a friend/neighbors/business associate with HJ until he passed away last year.  He is convinced Mylow's motor is for real.

* The level of skill required to pull off a hoax are far beyond what Mylow possesses, whether it be embedding hidden motors or induction or video editing or other means of giving the appearance that shows up in his videos.  The background, between the lines, things that I've been able to pick up while talking to Mylow by phone have been consistent with what he has been telling me.  He lives in an apartment, drives truck hauling things around Chicago, works near his residence, has a wife and twin brother, etc.  These are not aspects that would be present if he had the level of skill required to fake all of this.  And what would be his motive?  He's not ever asked for money.

* Mylow has never once exhibited even the tiniest interest in getting money from this.  It has been hard for me to even broach the subject with him.  With many inventors, and certainly fraudsters, that's the first thing on their mind: money.

* The magnets deplete (I'm hopeful that a configuration can be found that doesn't result in depletion, e.g. neodymium magnets in a plastic assembly)

* The stator magnet gets cold, which is what others have predicted and observed in related modeling.

* History often shows that the weak and simple confound the mighty.  New wine can't be put into old bottles.  The establishment is too stick on themselves.  The recent MIB incident is part of this transition phenomenon -- the old guard fighting the new thing that will make them obsolete.

* With the old guard in the middle of tearing down the economy to establish their world dictatorship, the timing is right for the emergence of a revolutionary, empowering technology like this.

* More, this is a partial list.


I think that is a very good list of reasons to believe in Mylow's claims and support the open sourcing of this design, and prepare some clear plans for those who want things distilled better than what is available for free on our site.

Sterling
http://mylowplans.com - download the plans
http://mylowmagnetmotor.com - open source project page

I must agree with Sterling's points that they are all logical and in light of new circunstantial evidences this could be the real thing.

Hopefully Sterling will go to Chicago and get a first outside witness view of this motor running and video recorded.

I hope also the light will be on (as Dixepnum once said in a funny post).

Fausto.

[miki02131]

And what would those circumstancial evidences be? My words are whatever they are, they will not lead to the truth. I don't close the chapter on this saga only because I get a laugh each time I read one of those Sterling stories: Imagine Mylow's wife wacking the crap out of that motor. Imagine Mylow's motor breaking down as Sterling was supposedly talking about a possible visit. Could it get any funnier than that?

Miki Out.

[sterlinga]

I have ordered 30 of the stator magnets from Allmagnetics.com which will probably be arriving tomorrow.  These are for those of you would like to order them.  They'll be more from us than directly from Allmagnetics.

I also ordered 120 of the rotor magnets from Eclipse (via WWSales in Canada).  The latter will be arriving next Friday.  I'm going to have my wife forward a set of 60 to Mylow to see if he can get them working on his motor.

http://eclipse-magnetics.co.uk/product/magnet-materials/cast-alnico/minor - Part number M4144ANK

These are also called E801 when they painted and sold in sets of 10 in a box.

I also have an order confirmed (placed a few days ago) for 500 of the M4144ANK from Eclipse, also via WWSales.  These are unpainted.

Neither of these outfits (Eclipse nor WWSales) sell to end users.  They only sell to distributors.  I've set PES Network, Inc up as a distributorship with WWSales.

The E801s are the shallow channel magnets that "Bob" used on his replica as shown here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replication:Bob_from_Utah_County

I'm doubtful that they will work because of the small size of the channel, but I hope to go give it a whirl here once I can pull myself away from this computer today

The nice thing about these magnets is that there are a lot of them available, and they are nominally the right size and shape.  If Mylow can get them to work, then I'm sure we won't have any problem getting rid of 500 of them and ordering more to be made to follow those.

Here's the catch.  The planned shipment date for the Eclipse magnets (via boat) is May 8.  We can request expediting.

Another issue is that it appears that they are gouging us.  When I first saw these on the forum, they were listed at 0.99 British pounds each.  However, from WWSales, with the conversion from US to Canadian, I had to pay $3.72 each.

If we expedite the ones from the U.K., it may be quite a bit more than that.

Should I get those on their way, even though we don't know if they're going to work, and even though it looks like the company is gouging?

I might be able to get a smaller batch of them on their way.

Let me know if you want to order some, and I'll gauge the level of interest.

I'll be posting them for sale at http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/parts/magnets/
(under construction)

I don't want people ragging on me for jacking up the price, but we will be putting some profit in to cover our expenses and operations.  The price will come down as we can.

Others of you are more than welcome to set yourselves up as distributors.

Let us know, and we'll list you on our project site (or you can put the link there yourself).

I also today sent an order for 64 of these magnets as listed at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans#Rotor_Magnets
I'm having them send one to PMMTester so he can measure it and such.



For now, this is a private source.  (Thanks Queue)  They do not sell to the public, so we would be setting up a similar relationship with them, if Mylow can get them to work.  Unfortunately their lead time is 4-6 weeks, so we wouldn't have anything for others for that long (they only have about 24 left in stock.  They make these themselves, so they would basically just make as many as we would need.

Sterling