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Overunity Machines Forum



Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

Started by X00013, March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM

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lostcauses10x

Quote from: 0c on April 03, 2009, 12:30:56 PM
In this case, the heat sink becomes a "heat source" and warms the magnet.

correct. it might even allow the magnet to last longer.

0c

Quote from: lostcauses10x on April 03, 2009, 12:34:00 PM
correct. it might even allow the magnet to last longer.

I think you will find the magnets will last longer and perform better at lower temperatures.

PaulLowrance

Quote from: miki02131 on April 03, 2009, 12:59:54 PM
Proof is not needed to refute any claim based on all permanent magnet motors. Whenever such idea comes up, you just apriori reject it without second thought or doubt.
I disagree!  That is the greatest flaw with "skepticism."  "Skeptics" would falsely have people believe they enter a case unbiased, but that is not the case with every skeptic I've studied. This reason alone is why 2LoT is still accepted by conventional scientists. I've proven 2LoT is 2ToT.

On the other hand, it's fine for a scientist to make a quick evaluation if he or she is to spend time analyzing a device.


PL

carbonc_cc

Well.  Mylow logged into Youtube about an hour ago.  He could be posting a new video (which, for me, takes quite some time on my DSL connection).

jibbguy

Now that some replications are coming along, perhaps it would be useful to have a Universal Test Plan agreed-to by consensus which could then act as a guide and fairly uniform data entry point for the Replicators to use when testing their devices... Making it easier to compare results, providing a framework for discussing and evaluating, and allowing widely separate replication test results to be compared by their construction differences (thus possibly helping with future improvements).

Heres an imperfect suggestion for one to get the ball rolling :


UNIVERSAL TEST PLAN FOR "MYLOW" HOWARD JOHNSON "STONEHENGE" DEVICE REPLICATIONS

I. Section One: Observations Before Starting Test Procedure    [Sec. I.]

  A.  Physical Measurements & Descriptions   [I.A.]

     1. Rotor Disk & bearing / stand: Physical Measurements (drawing recommended)   [I.A.1]

          a) Relative "Free Turning" of the disk.. Measured via observation of "spin down time" ; perhaps compared  to
              the "MYLOW" Device.   [I.A.1.a.]

          b) Diameter "Trueness" and "Wobble" of the Rotor & bearing system via observation.   [I.A.1.b.]

          c) "Levelness" of the Rotor / entire device  (via observation of use of "Level")  [I.A.1.c.]

     2. Rotor Magnets  (drawing or photo of lay-out recommended)  [I.A.2.]

         a) Total Number  [I.A.2.a]

         b) Spacing between each magnet within a "Grouping" [I.A.2.b]

         c) How many Rotor Magnets in a particular "Group" [I.A.2.c]

         d) Spacing between the "Groups" [I.A.2.d]

         e) Polar orientation of the rotor magnets  [I.A.2.e.]

         f)  Type / Composition of Magnets ("Alinco", "Neo", etc.), including source & part no. if available  [I.A.2.f.]

         g) Physical Dimensions and General Shape of Rotor Magnets (dimensional drawing
             recommended).     [I.A.2.g.]

      3. Stator Magnet(s): Type, Size, Number mounted, Description of Shape, Magnetic pole orientation, source and
          part number if available (dimensional drawing recommended)    [I.A.3.]

      4. Stator Mounting Arm Assy. : Description, Dimensions, "Distance Adjustment" means (drawing
          recommended).  [I.A.4.]

      5. Description of any "RPM Limiting" apparatus such as torque limiter or "prony braking" device (if
          present)              [I.A.5.]

   B. Gauss Strength Measurements of Magnets (if any measuring means are available, skip if not)  [I.B.]
   

II. Section Two: Preliminary Tests         [II.]
 
   A. Permutations & Results at Differing Distances Between the Rotor and Stator Magnets.  [II.A.]

       1. Starting Distance at "Begin of Test" of Stator Magnet to near edge of a Rotor Magnet at closest
           point.        [II.A.1.]

       2. Testing results at different Distances  to determine "Optimum" as derived at by test & visual  observation
           [II.A.2.]

            a) Results at "Optimum Distance". State Distance.    [II.A.2.a.]

            b) Comparative Results "2 mm closer"  (or closest possible without contacting rotor magnets) [II.A.2.b.]

            c) Comparative Results "2mm farther away than Optimum"    [II.A.2.c.]

            d) Comparative Results "5 mm farther away than Optimum"   [II.A.2.d.]
   
   B.  Manual rotation of rotor to find "sweet spot" (point of magnetic interaction, along the Rotor's rotational axis,
         where the rotor begins turning via magnetic force alone)   [II.B.]

        1. Linear Distance of the "sweet spot" from the leading edge of a Group of Rotor Magnets, to the
            nearest  edge of the Stator Magnet(s)    [II.B1.]

        2. Rotational Distance traveled when manually started at "sweet spot" (length of travel, or full rotations if can be
             achieved).    [II.B.2.]


III.  Section Three: Initial Operational Testing  (at "Optimal Distance" determined in II.A.2.a.)   [III.]

     A. General Result: State "full rotation", "Partial (in Degrees)", or "No Significant Result".  [III.A.]

         1. Does it reach a stable rotation?  (if answer is no, skip to "End Results of Test").  [III.A.1.]

         2. How long in Seconds (or Rotations) does it take to achieve "Stability" ?  [III.A.2.]
 
    B. "RPM" Rotational Speed once rotations reach stability (if no instrument for measure is available,
          state "estimated")         [III.B.]
 
    C.  Torque Measurement on Rotor Disk (if no instrument for measure is available, state "estimated")  [III.C.]


IV.  Section Four: Timed Trial Testing (Note: Device must first be operating in a stable condition).   [IV.]

    A.  2 Hour Test (record via video at beginning and end if possible).   [IV.A.]

        1. Beginning RPM's & Torque once stable (if available).   [IV.A.1.]

        2. Ending RP M's & Torque (if available, if not then estimation of difference from start).   [IV.A.2.]

        3. Ending Temperature of magnets (...estimated as compared to "Ambient").    [IV.A.3.]

        4. Ending Gauss Strength of magnets (if device to measure is available)  [IV.A.4.]

    B.  12 Hour Test (performed after above; record via video at beginning and end if possible)   [IV.B.]

        1. Beginning RPM's & Torque once stable (if available)   [IV.B.1.]

        2. Ending RPM's & Torque (if available, if not then estimation of difference from start)   [IV.B.2.]

        3. Ending Temperature of magnets (...estimated as compared to "Ambient")   [IV.B.3]

        4. Ending Gauss Strength of magnets (if device to measure is available)  [IV.B.4.]

    C.  48 Hour Test (performed after above; record via video at beginning and end if possible)  [IV.C.]

        1. Beginning RPM's & Torque once stable (if available)   [IV.C.1.]

        2. Ending RPM's & Torque (if available, if not then estimation of difference from start)  [IV.C.2.]

        3. Ending Temperature of magnets (...estimated as compared to "Ambient")   [IV.C.3.]

        4. Ending Gauss Strength of magnets (if device to measure is available)  [IV.C.4.]

V.  Section Five: Test Results & Conclusions   (general "Essay")       [V.]

     A. Did the unit make full rotations? Did it reach a point of "stability"?  [V.A.]

     B. Did magnet strength appear to change significantly during the tests?   [V.B.]

     C. Are the test results repeatable several days later?    [V.C.]

     D. What, if any, were the Anomalies observed?        [V.D.]

     E. In the opinion of the Tester, is the device a viable working "All-Magnet Motor" ?  [V.E.]