Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

[joe_1001101]

People are buying the plans from http://mylowplans.com for convenience of not having to weed through so much stuff to get to the essence.

Hi Sterling,

I think the question really might be "why pay for a convenient package of something that has not been proven yet or replicated".

I'm just trying to figure all of this out.  It seems the problem boils down to taking the word of one person, and saying it's a "WORKING DEVICE".

Just my thoughts.

Thanks!
Joe

[carbonc_cc]

I think the question really might be "why pay for a convenient package of something that has not been proven yet or replicated".

I'm just trying to figure all of this out.  It seems the problem boils down to taking the word of one person, and saying it's a "WORKING DEVICE".

I would say a convenient package would assist in trying to replicate even if it's not proven (for those who haven't already read/viewed all the info on this topic).  That is the whole point.  People who want to try and replicate without weeding through the clustered mangled noise in this forum.   

Otherwise, those wanting to replicate are forced to go through this mess...
I agree with Sterling's approach.

[sterlinga]

I've gotten a little behind in reporting on recent conversations with Mylow.

Last evening while we were talking on the phone, he got his unit running again.  After the MIB incident, he had taken it apart and sent the disc and bearing base back to his brother.  I had told him he needed to get that back.  It belongs in a museum.

He later told me that he had shot four videos of it running on his glass table, but that his family was putting pressure on him to just stop working on all this stuff, as it is becoming too disruptive to his life and dangerous.  They don't want him ending up dead.  And his health is suffering as well, as he has been getting very little sleep.

Today, around 1:00pm, his wife called him to tell him that he got a package.  It was another set of stator magnets that I had sent him before he asked me to stop doing that.



D. from http://www.allmagnetics.com/education/science.htm
Part 07225, 3lbs pull, A 1.25", B 1.99", C 0.25", D 0.42", E 0.41", F 1.25".  Price $8.95.

E. from http://www.allmagnetics.com/hardware/horseshoe.htm
Part 07279, 2lbs pull, A 1.00", B 0.99", C 0.32", D 0.31", E 0.34", F 1.09".  Price $4.99.

from http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm
ACH1950 $19.80.

He went home and began tinkering.  By the time I talked to him around 7:30 pm Central, he was like a child in a candy factory.  He was getting partial rotation, having found the right combination of rotor magnets.  About 15 minutes later, he got full, continuous rotation.

He said 7279 was too small (might work with smaller stator?)

He said ACH1950 was one he might try getting enough of to try in the rotor.  "The channel might be too close.  Might not work."

But the one he was excited about in the stator position, was 7225, the long horse-shoe magnet that was 2" tall, with 3 lb pull.

When he first started playing with it, he began with the set of seven magnets.  "What do you want to do?"  In fiddling around, he saw that it "liked big gaps."

He said his arrangement with that magnet was a set of 4 magnets with a gap of 3/4" between them, followed by a gap of 3", then another set of 4 magnets.

It was spinning slowly  (15-20 rpm is what we counted [him telling me when a complete revolution was finished, and me watching the clock]).  In all, between 2-3 phone calls during this time, it was running at least 30 minutes continuous.  He was going to keep it spinning to see how long it lasted.

He said the distance between the stator and rotor magnets was only about 1/4".  He didn't dare go any closer lest things start banging into each other.

He said it was working really nice.  It goes very smoothly by the 3" gap from one set of magnets to the next.

Even though it is running slowing, he said that it had a lot of force.  It is harder to stop.

Before he got it running again, he remarked that the rotor channel magnets are getting quite weak now.

I encouraged him to shoot a video of it to document this arrangement at least.  He's quite paranoid about videos at this point, for several reasons, including the MIB element and the awful chiding he gets from the skeptics.

He's going to send PMMTester a sample of his rotor magnet and of his old "iron" magnets, which he is wondering if they are actually iron.

He's puzzled that others haven't yet been able to replicate this effect.

It told him that perhaps he has a prodigy type of gift to be able to sense how to do this.  And once he can use a magnet in the rotor that is available for others can order, then it will just be a matter of people copying what he's done exactly, and they won't be expected to have his gift for figuring out the proper magnet configuration.

"This thing acts like a weird species.  Once you do something different [e.g. change stator magnet], the configuration change."

He said that while the disc was still empty, he tried the "spin-down test", and that it slowed down really quickly, stopping after just a couple of minutes after spinning it as fast as he could by hand.

He remarked about watching the Perendev motor, and wondered what would happen if crescent magnets were used instead.

Mylow said that he's still having nightmares; so profound; scary, wake up screaming; his wife calms him down.  He sleeps with the shades down; spend most the time during the day even with the shades down.  "I don't like that."

He said his brother told him that there was a story about him in the National Inquirer.  Mylow couldn't tell if he was joking.

Mylow said he has now gotten four different variations (stator magnet types) to run.  I'm remembering three (original "iron", HS811N, and now 07225). I'm not sure what the fourth one is, unless he's counting building the HS811N again last night after disassembling it.

"I can't believe nobody else figured this out in 30 years," he remarked, saying he was in awe, watching his rotor spinning round and round.

Below is an excerpt from an email from PMMTester.

Sterling


----- Original Message -----
From: [PMMTester]
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: RE: Proposition to Mylow; difficulty


Just talked to Mylow.
He was in good spirits.
He loves playing with the new magnets you sent him.
He said he spent around 8 hours playing and has come up with a configuration for the ACH1950 rotor channel magnets and the 07225 stator horseshoe magnet.
It is entirely different than the other configurations he has used.
It is sets of four now with 2 1/2".between sets.
He said the original channel magnets are almost dead now. When he puts them by the iron filings now they do not look the same.
They also do not clump together like they used to.

I mentioned you might send him some of the Eclipse channel magnets. He said he could probably configure them also.
He said the secret is that the rotor magnets have to go by smoothly. He certainly has the knack for smooth.
If you send him the Eclipse magnets he will also need another HS811N (or more) as the old one is almost dead now.
He again said that his partner is pretty understanding and as long as he gets his work done  he can spend the rest of his day "playing".
[...]
He also said he does not believe that the original stator magnet is iron. His friend, that remagnetized it, told him it was so that is why he kept saying that it was iron. Almost all the paint is off of it now and the color and finish matches his other alnico magnets so he is certain it is alnico.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: modificaiton of magnet order


I modified my order, per the following input, getting the two Felix recommended instead.  I also ordered one: ACH1950 $19.80.
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm

I'm curious to see how a channel magnet might perform in the stator position.

Sterling

----- Original Message -----
From: felix
To: Sterling D. Allan
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: Rotor magnets


Thanks, Sterling.

Regarding HSPH1 and HSPH2 you just ordered, I find out HSPH1 is discontinued.  Since you are not picky about size, I have these two in our warehouse:

Part 07225, 3lbs pull, A 1.25", B 1.99", C 0.25", D 0.42", E 0.41", F 1.25".  Price $8.95.
Part 07279, 2lbs pull, A 1.00", B 0.99", C 0.32", D 0.31", E 0.34", F 1.09".  Price $4.99.

We have $30 mini order, so will charge $5 handling fee if you buy these two.  Please let me know.

Best Regards,

Felix Jiang

[miki02131]

If the last report is any indication, I have no doubt that Sterling can imagine in no time a report of his encounter with Mylow. The outcome won't be surprising since Sterling has no choice than to confirm Mylow's device as working regardless of the truth. The truth is that an all permanent magnet machine is impossible.

Maybe Sterling should add some switching mechanism to the basic plan to improve and give the Mylow's machine a chance at success. That would be a more honorable thing to do.

Miki out.

[joe_1001101]

I would say a convenient package would assist in trying to replicate even if it's not proven (for those who haven't already read/viewed all the info on this topic).  That is the whole point.  People who want to try and replicate without weeding through the clustered mangled noise in this forum.   
Otherwise, those wanting to replicate are forced to go through this mess...
I agree with Sterling's approach.

I see your point.  But what if it was never real?  How many times should we go through replicating, paying $100's for parts, and now on top of that instructions for something that may be as fake as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ARja0DiT0&feature=PlayList&p=8F3B13E6FB706890&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

I've been spending money for 9 years on this FE stuff:)  and am tired of scams.  That's all.  I hope the Mylow is real.. But doubt it.

Thanks,
Joe