Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

[PaulLowrance]

Helium will remain liquid (cannot be frozen) down to absolute zero at normal pressures due to the quantum foam (ZPE, sea of energy) that is believed to exist everywhere -->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium#Solid_and_liquid_phases

[hansvonlieven]

Define 'your' vaccum. No real vacuum (i.e. a space where nothing is really there) has been discovered, yet. The vacuum in the space is the quantum vacuum (or ether if you like it), and it's full of energy - no wonder that people want to find a way to use it.

BTW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

A vacuum properly defined is a space containing nothing. (The word comes from the Latin term for "empty")

According to Parmenides (ca. 450 BC) such a space cannot exist in nature. In fact Parmenides argued that such a space cannot even be envisaged by the human mind. (Parmenides incidentally coined the immortal phrase, here in Latin, which is the best known version, Ex nihilo nihil fit, which means out of nothing comes nothing)

It would seem that modern quantum physics has discovered Parmenides. Pity they don't give him credit.

Hans von Lieven

[dragon]

A vacuum properly defined is a space containing nothing. (The word comes from the Latin term for "empty")

According to Parmenides (ca. 450 BC) such a space cannot exist in nature. In fact Parmenides argued that such a space cannot even be envisaged by the human mind. (Parmenides incidentally coined the immortal phrase, here in Latin, which is the best known version, Ex nihilo nihil fit, which means out of nothing comes nothing)

It would seem that modern quantum physics has discovered Parmenides. Pity they don't give him credit.

Hans von Lieven

In that message
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg173702#msg173702
you said:
"The whole idea of energy from the vacuum is idiotic."
while you must have known what vacuum nyctuber had in mind, as he even used quotation marks, when mentioning vacuum: "how energy is created from the 'vacuum' is fascinating and based on real science, apparently. No silly answers, please."
and he asked politely "no silly answers please".

Some controversial, but interesting vacuum theories:
http://www.eioba.com/a85528/torsion_fields_theory_of_physical_vacuum_shipov_and_heim

[nyctuber]

I saw the rest of TK's vids and I'll hand it to the guy he was thorough. Still can't say he conclusively proved WHY Mylow's setup didn't work (he doesn't claim to), but it was interesting.

It seems that the glass top video, which showed a taped down stator holder, somewhat conclusively proved he did not fake it. How did he get the stator to crash into the rotors? There was no visible pushing of either the disk or the stator bar as far as I could tell. To move the stator bar, he would have had to remove the tape, which would assumedly be audible, and would have caused him to have a specific camera angle while doing it. using his left hand to remove the tape while holding the camera with his right. Moving the disk would have required reaching under and moving it by the base. Again, a camera angle and distance which would have contradicted the one we see as it crashes.

It would be interesting to see a recreation by someone with a video cam and a replication to attempt to duplicate this.

[joe_1001101]

I saw the rest of TK's vids and I'll hand it to the guy he was thorough. Still can't say he conclusively proved WHY Mylow's setup didn't work, but it was interesting.

Here's one experiment he didn't try, and I'd welcome anyone with a replication and handheld videocamera to try it.

Mylow was able to stop his rig by hand, which basically rules out an electric motor, unless it was started and stopped via remote and ran on batteries. It would also have necessitated running his rig with a dead stator. I highly doubt that, as it contradicts the initial cogging shown while trying to find the sweet spot, and other things, like the stator crashing into the rotors during the glass top video.

This leaves only one alternative, if it was a 'fraud': started by hand and kept in rotation by hand.

So, how about you skeptics try filming while starting it by hand, and look for clear signs of camera wobble associated with pushing with the hand not holding the camera and compare it to Mylow's.

EDIT: Seems to me that the glass top video which showed a taped down stator holder somewhat conclusively proved he did not fake it. How did he get the stator to crash into the rotors? There was no visible pushing of either the disk or the stator bar as far as I could tell.To move the stator, he would have had to remove the tape, which would assumedly be audible, and caused him to have a certain camera angle while doing it. Moving the disk would have required reaching under and moginv the bearing assembly. Again, a camera angle change we would unboubtedly have seen.

How did I fake my video that is below Mike's in the last link  (self-running window motor):

Below is a link to a few videos of Mikes motor Scam  (down a bit on the pes page) and then my copy of the video.

The differences are that Mikes meter will go up to 6v+  And my version (since I didn't have a 6v batt at the time) will go up to 12v.
Stop the motor, the cap stops charging.  Start it up agian, and it charges.

In the videos, the voltage after shorting out a cap will climb due to the meter itself charging the cap I believe, nothing special there to look at.  My hidden power is not in the motor or cap or meter or bread board.  The motor running is what charges the cap and you can see that voltage on the meter as it will reach 12v.  It takes about 50ma @ 12v to run that motor.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Modified_Bedini_Cole_Window_Motor

Thanks,

Joe