Dissociation of the Water Molecule

[quarktoo]

Hydrogen is a fuel. Water on the other hand is only currently a source of fuel. And, as long as it takes more energy to to dissociate water than is returned on combustion this will forever remain so.

You have to consider that the moment anyone actually achieves (beyond doubt) a self-sustaining closed loop hydroxy on-demand system, that this in itself will constitute Over-Unity.

Farrah, I think you are making the assumption that no water will be consumed and making that assumption based on your obvious chemistry background and the assumption that what you were taught was correct or applied to this particular electrolysis method.

The system would not be a closed system and thermodynamics would not apply since water is consumed and is the fuel source.

The atomic energy contained in water is so vast that you simply could not measure the minute losses and so science has assumed there are none, this however is wrong.

Also it is worth pointing out that the bolt is NOT connected to the crows foot and is only acting like an earth ground. Since the source wire is connected to a AV plug, this is how Stiffler knows whether it is H or O that is being produced.

Since the ground plane floats due to it's low mass, I would assume that is the reason that the much stronger oxygen atom does not disassociate. Add more power, higher frequency or attach the bolt to a better ground and oxygen would surely evolve.

AC electrolysis is nothing new and has nothing to do with Faraday. (The scientist, not the smart poster on this forum)

As always, Koodos to Dr. Stiffler. He is teaching "spatial coherence" How the crows foot coheres to the ground plane and how the weak link in the chain (water) is broken with high frequency and high voltage.

Stiffler could have probably just as easily wrapped a small coil around the tube instead of the ground plane bolt and achieved the same effect with opposite polarity on the coil. I have seen true single wire electrolysis before without the bolt and it just takes more power or higher frequency to produce particle oscillation. Due to hysteresis the water cannot react fast enough and it becomes its own ground near the electrodes.

Hysteresis is a huge factor and an important one if you are to understand OU electrolysis better. Voltage is equal to pressure and pressure is acceleration. Example  - We can send a lot more current down a transmission line if we send it at high voltage (speed) and we can spray water a lot farther if it is at high pressure (high voltage) but we can also transfer a larger quantity of more water if we have a larger diameter pipe (current or amperage)

An earlier comment regarding the speed of an electron through water is an important one. Without a proper impedance match, the energy is reflected or it appears that some sort of slippage takes place depending on how the mismatch occurs.

Both Meyer and Puharich matched the impedance to the water which is quite dynamic as the gas evolves and is the reason Meyer went from a high current low voltage pulse (polarization) stepping up to high voltage low current pulse - particle oscillation or as Meyer termed it "electron bounce phenoninom"

And lastly in regard to your first post regarding electrodes, you made the assumption that there are always two electrodes. Meyer covered the subject from A-Z and there were at times three electrodes and at times only one with an electromagnetic coupling or a photon injection. These too should be considered electrodes in attempting to describe a complex bond cleave that has nothing to do with Farraday. (Again... The scientist not the smart poster) :-)

[HeairBear]

Alright! Back on topic with a great counter argument. Thank you quarktoo! I'm not sure about the "Electron Bouncing" part, but, I agree with most of what you posted. I hope Farrah comes back soon, I too have an original Stiffler circuit that I would love to share data with if he or she or anyone for that matter has the ability to do so.

[quarktoo]

Alright! Back on topic with a great counter argument. Thank you quarktoo! I'm not sure about the "Electron Bouncing" part, but, I agree with most of what you posted. I hope Farrah comes back soon, I too have an original Stiffler circuit that I would love to share data with if he or she or anyone for that matter has the ability to do so.

I have the ability and probably already have it but just in case, whip it out. :-)

Not sure about electron bounce? Meyer's exact words from his notes and lectures. If fact, you are not going to beat Faraday until you ripple the DC or use AC. Until then, water is like thick glue and the molecules stick together so become a solid mass. Once you develop gas and resonate the individual molecules, they do not take on their own individual charge and begin to repel each other. (fracture)

The reason that the voltage and frequency needs to vary (burst wave) is to penetrate to different depths into the water.

You can replicate one of Meyer's patents where he points two diodes at the cell so no current flows using all radio shack parts and it demonstrates particle oscillation perfectly.

It is a tiny experiment  - fast diodes are a must (4us) 1n914 signal type and an audio transformer and two 890uf chokes. Anything slower and it will not work - particle oscillation.

[llewgnal]

  Seems I heard some time back, that water in free fall changes the structure of the bond from 109 deg to 104 deg or so thereby changing it from dipole to bipolar momentarily...?
  Old experiment shows water stream being pulled toward static electric source, seems to me this would be the optimum time to break the bond
  I will be experimenting in this direction soon...?

[quarktoo]

  Seems I heard some time back, that water in free fall changes the structure of the bond from 109 deg to 104 deg or so thereby changing it from dipole to bipolar momentarily...?
  Old experiment shows water stream being pulled toward static electric source, seems to me this would be the optimum time to break the bond
  I will be experimenting in this direction soon...?

I think you want to go from 104 to 109.28.

Perhaps you will find this interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1eyLEo8_A