Dissociation of the Water Molecule

[newbie123]

Farrah Day,     

What is missing from our understanding of electrolysis (of h2o)?

Also,  regarding the experiments..   I would be totally amazed if someone could replicate the Kanzius  RF water fracturing experiment (with a polarized 13.8 Mhz frequency, or whatever he did) ...  I have serious doubts about this technique, and I'm not sure about Dr. Stiffler or JL naudin method either.
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[Farrah Day]

Newbie, I find the Kanzius saltwater burning discovery of real intrigue.  If true, the science is fascinating and could hold the key to a few of the processes that to date have eluded proper scientific explanation.

All the research I have done into the Kanzius discovery leads me to think it is genuine and not a hoax... and I don't consider myself very gulible! I mean, the man is dead now and was researching a treatment for cancer... he had nothing to gain from diverting attention away from his cancer treatment research onto something as bizarre as burning saltwater. Many professionals might well have said nothing, keeping it to themselves, concerned that such publicity might affecting their credibility as a serious engineer/inventor. I personally think he had too much at stake with his cancer research to create such an elaborate hoax and hence chance being discredited by his peers. At least that's me take on it.

Stifler seems genuine enough and has some interesting experiments behind him, though these are more in the area of radiant energy than electrolysis.

Naudin bothers me a little. He has a big website and has experimented with a lot of things much of which I find very interesting and more recently he has stated trying to replicate Meyers WFC. According to website his set up is achieving some success in this, but he wont reply to emails.  What bothers me about Naudin is that he seems to have no problem with the Meyer Technical brief, when it is clearly a load of gobbledegook full of invented terms and pseudoscience which should be obvious to anyone well versed in science and electronics. I'm keeping an open mind about Naudin.

What is missing from our understanding of electrolysis (of h2o)?

There are quite a few things that are never touched upon relating to 'simple' electrolysis when it comes to the dissociation of the water molecule. Things that answers to are hard to come by - mind you I've always been one to ask the awkward questions.

Ok, here is something to think about. 

If we have, for convenience, let's say distilled water to which we add sodium sulphate as an electrolyte, we then have clusters of H2O molecules intermingled with sodium ions (Na+) and Sulphate ions (SO4-).

We place in the solution two inert electrodes and apply a voltage to those electrodes. Ion current flows and we get hydrogen evolving from the cathode and oxygen evolving from the anode. The sodium and sulphate ions take no part in the final reaction, so remain in the solution. So, why do not all the +ve sodium ions concregate on the surface of the cathode and halt the process?  Why do not all the -ve sulphate ions congregate on the anode and halt the process?

The devil is often in the detail, and it's little details like this that niggle away at me. No one has ever been able to provide me with an answer to this seemingly simple question - and I've others too!

[newbie123]

Newbie, I find the Kanzius saltwater burning discovery of real intrigue.  If true, the science is fascinating and could hold the key to a few of the processes that to date have eluded proper scientific explanation.

I just have a hard time believing any claims like this until independent replications are done.  Have there been any done yet?  How hard could it be to beam a tube of water with 13.8 mhz photons?    I don't have the equipment to try this, otherwise I would try it...  My first thought on this was ...  If you could just beam salt water with HF radio waves and split it, then why aren't all the HF amateur radio waves disassociating the ocean?   And 13.8 mhz is way under the energy required to ionize water with photons (really about 1e15 Hz) .. Could some sort of cavitation be occuring in the tube?   But this is all pointless speculation, imo, until someone experimentally confirms this method really works...


I've contacted Rustum Roy (Kanzius associate)   .. He was secretive, and referred me to a paper he published on the experiment (which had absolutely no useful information, imo)    ....   And his site http://www.rustumroy.com/  (crackpotish, I think)

All the research I have done into the Kanzius discovery leads me to think it is genuine and not a hoax... and I don't consider myself very gulible! I mean, the man is dead now and was researching a treatment for cancer... he had nothing to gain from diverting attention away from his cancer treatment research onto something as bizarre as burning saltwater. Many professionals might well have said nothing, keeping it to themselves, concerned that such publicity might affecting their credibility as a serious engineer/inventor. I personally think he had too much at stake with his cancer research to create such an elaborate hoax and hence chance being discredited by his peers. At least that's me take on it.

Stifler seems genuine enough and has some interesting experiments behind him, though these are more in the area of radiant energy than electrolysis.

Ack.. "seems genuine" or "why would they fake it?"  just isn't good enough for me..  I want to see replications or real science...    The best frauds/fakers in the world all seemed genuine.

I'll have to get back to you on the rest of your post..

[newbie123]

Loner, I think you're are mostly right..  The actual science isn't nearly as important as having a working replication, right in front of you..  But as Farrah Day is saying..  understanding the conditions required  to disassociate H2O would  probably be the "key" to developing a new technology (if a new technology exists)... But why try to reinvent the wheel?   Why not try to replicate the John Kanzius salt water burning experiment?  It seems pretty basic, not nearly as complex as the B. Boyce or S. Meyer cells .. I'm not sure how much information is out there on the experiment..  But there is probably enough to attempt a replication.

[d3adp00l]

there is a lot missing from your understanding of electrolysis.