The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"

[jacob]

... you guys because you all seem to be set on the rotational magnetic fields as the operating point of SM's devices.

Absolutely. This is the way to go.

... These control wires/coils are pulsed with DC via the dumping of a capacitor through these control wires/coils...

Tao, the TPU starts without any power at all. and as you quote yourself from SM:

Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.

The incoming signal in a radio receiver is picked up by a resonant circuit. Such a circuit produces a sinewave. No pulsed DC here!

You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.

As he says:  "the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source". We are definetively dealing with a sinewave here.

Now, what about the collector coils you say? Glad you asked. Since the magnetic field that is flying around the toroid is PARALLEL to the HORIZONTAL collector wires/coils, there can't be any induced current in the collectors, because a magnetic moved along a copper wire parallel to it induces NO current.

If the magnetic field was parallel to the collector wires, you would be right: there wouldn't be any induced current in the collector. However, that is not the case. Maybe there is a misconception about this. The rotating magnetic field is PERPENDICULAR to the collector. This creates a field within the torroid center, pretty much like the rotor of a turbine. Therefore the field is similar to the simulation seen on the attached picture below. A field parallel to the collector would be entirely confined inside the torroid.

Ok, now, here are some quotes from Steven's MANY postings on overunity.com that relate directly and support the above theory:

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My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.

NOTE HERE THAT HE IS SAYING THAT THE COLLECTOR WIRES/COILS ARE THE WIRES THAT DIRECTLY CONNECT TO THE LOAD, NOT THE CONTROL WIRES, THIS SUPPORTS THE THEORY OF THE HORIZONTAL COLLECTOR WIRES BEING LOOP ANTENNAS...

If the load was connected to the control coils, they wouldn't be control coils. And vice-versa for the collector. But you are right when you say that the power from the collector is feed back to the control coils. This is why we need 3 collector coils. Two are these are feed back to a different set of control coils, the third one is for the load. Alternatively, it would also be possible to use only only 1 collector coil for feedback, but the control coil circuit would have to be wired differently.

The addition/change is that instead of simply creating a SIMPLE rotational magnetic field in ONE direction, you instead must create TWO rotational magnetic fields in opposite directions. When you have two THINGS rotating on the same axis in opposite directions you create a GYROSCOPE.

Perhaps. But most gyroscope you'll encounter are unidirectional. Plus, keep in mind that if there were 2 counter-rotating fields, the TPU would works perfectly when placed upside down. This is not so.

YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES  PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLECTOR.  THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.

Seems to me as evidence that the rotating field is perpendicular to the collector, not that the magnetic field is bi-directional.

Yes, I agree, why does everybody assume that magnetic fields are so single dimensional?

Two counter-rotating fields move in the same plane. What SM is saying here relates to the spiraling effect of the energy wave being tapped. Pretty muck like the nails shaped like corkscrews in the imploding tv set incident.

The basics of the matter are, if you have two counter-rotating fields moving about, say on next to the other, or one above the other, the AREA BETWEEN these counter-rotating fields will have a STANDING WAVE(or rotating STANDING WAVE if the frequencies are not 100% matched) setup, a sort of interferance wave setup which is the result of those two opposing-rotating magnetic fields.

Yes, and that is most probably what is happening in the TPU: a standing wave is created. But you can achieve the same result with 2 different signal going in the same direction.

One interesting thing to add is that in the videos of those first two models of Stevens, the ones unlike the later toroidal models, they both have an upper and lower 'ring', the first one having those saw blades, and the other having those ring cores, my theory fits perfectly in with those models because in both of those you have two distinct rings(the upper and lower) where you could place two distinct rotational magnetic fields...

Yes, the videos show 2 different architecture for the TPU: one uses regular coils grouped by pair on 2 different axis, the other use the torroid approach. These 2 are equivalent. More about this later if you want...

Now, in regards to the SM17 device lets think about the control electronics that we can see...

The two capacitors with resistors attached near the edge of the inner toroid could be the FREQUENCY GENERATORS that go into the CONTROL WIRING, which also create the ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD STANDING WAVES which are then picked up in the two LOOP ANTENNAS(the collector wires) in the SM17.

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Oh, and all the electronics you see in the middle, the two small toroidal transformers with the two caps,

THESE ARE THE RESONANT CIRCUITS!,

they EACH HAVE a 1:1 simple toroidal transformer with a matching capacitor to capture energy from the LOOP ANTENNAS via the TWO rotating magnetic fields, and note that the smaller devices DON'T have TWO of these transformers with caps, but only ONE, thereby coinciding with the above theories nicely.

SM3 and SM6 are passive devices in a sense: they use only one resonant circuit per frequency, and the control coils are the L part of such circuit. SM17 on the other hand is an active device, in the sense that the the signal fed to the control coils is produced by primary oscillators closely integrated with control electronics to prevent the device from "tuning in too closely".

Regards,

Jacob

[jacob]

hi

some more about the yoke

the control wiring is wound in 4 segments.
but each segment is also wound in 6 segments.
so we have a total of 4 x 6 segments = 24 segments.
one segment of 6 segments has two wires to connect.
so we have a total of 4 x 2 = 8 connection wires to 24 segments.
two of 4 segments of 6 segments are interconnected.
that leaves a total of 8 - 2 = 6 wires to connect.

so it has 24 segments wich can be controled by 6 wires.

one segment of 6 segments:
the first segment has 2 turns the second has 3 turns and so on to the 6th that has 7 turns.

this is only one layer so compared to the sm device it could be 3 x 24 segments.

maybe maybe not but i think this is were it al started once

Marco,

The deflection yoke you have on hand is too complex to be really useful. Plus I suspect that some design guidelines have been issued to the tv manufacturers since the 50's to avoid recurrence of the tv sets implosion incidents. All that is really needed is 2 pairs of coils positionned adequately. The simplest deflexion yoke I found is wired straightforwardly, but it has 2 semi torroidal ferrite cores for the vertical deflection. We need an air core or something equivalent.

Regards,

Jacob

[jacob]

I have been trying to simulate this (reverb) stacking effect shown in your simulations for two days now, and have missed the last 25+ pages of posts. My results have been inconclusive so far, so I would still like to know the name of the application you used to plot this waveform...

Were all frequencies pure sine (+/-) or was one absoulte sine (0/+)?
Can you explain the exact proccess you used to simulate this waveform?
Can you PLEASE tell me the name of this app?

Dingus,

You have to ask Marco what program he used. But also be aware that since then, Marco said that the results were flawed.

Regards,

Jacob

[raburgeson]

Ok lets think voltage leads the current 90 degrees, caps current leads the voltage 60 degrees.
A coil of wire is an inductor, and inductor looks like a short to ground to DC.
Mutual inductance between inductors with seperate cores (even air) produce resonance and a great deal of noise because of feed back.
2 inductors produce 180 degrees, 3 caps produce 180 degrees. 4 inductor sections interacting with each other and needing 180 phase shift for each section, I can't tell you I think you might be going to high tech here. The correct number of componets add up to harmonics and an inverter. Stevens early devices were started with a magnet.
We are trying to generate kicks (line transients) rapidly.
This is my personal belief and might not be correct. Air coils can collapse faster that iron core inductors. They may attract magnetic flux from another field.
I traded my coils for 3 old electronic books, I'm going to try 2 configurations or 2 different and off on my own. I am going to romance the feedbacks, 2 coils per section, 3 sections and another 6 sections. 3 caps=180 degrees.
I'll build 1 standard too.   

[giantkiller]

Further info on older TVs.
I have a 2 foot diam glass? dish from a vintage 50s tv that I use as a parabolic concave mirror for focusing sunlight into a highly focused point of light. It works exceedly well because the glass appeared semi opaque before I mirrored it. That makes the inside of the glass darkened, which gives the silver side  better reflection. Who I received this from told me that it was impregnated with lead. I asked this person what it's function was in the tv. He replied 'It's a radiation shield'. TVs back then put out alot of high powered freqs. The picture is attached.