Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[Tink]

OK, I woke up from a 48 hour euphoria.
All at once, I don't see anymore why a device like Dusty's Abeling replication would work, or any, when weights are to return just as high as they started. Let alone from just a gentle initial push.

Do any of you a special energy exchange that would be giving over unity?

Someone's simple explanation of, if at all, WHY such a device would self-accelerate and continue to run, would be most appreciated.

Thanks!

It is very simple, the weights are closer to the center of the wheel on one side than on the other side.
It is this imbalance what makes it run.

[Cloxxki]

Thanks Tink, makes all kinds of sence.
But surely this has been tried for centuries? with all the brainpower put into PPM's, odd that it would take until 2009 for one to be confirmed, if it is?
How hard is it to make a tower lift standing inside (the sideview of) a wheel, two running fully sync'd? Weight goes down one side of the wheel, at bottom transfers onto the tower lift, which delivers it back on top. Of extra height is required to overcome friction, the sync system might have a bit of a "hop" in it for that final push, or even neater : a light overdrive on the tower. Might that work? Or does Abeling do rely on the unweighting of the wheel early on in the weight's lift, using momentum?

[exnihiloest]

@mondrasek,

The categorical spirit of your conclusion doesn't follow from the gist of what you're saying. The more likely outcome of this analysis is that wm2d is just not fit for such kind of exploration and one`can only conclude subjectively either pessimistically or optimistically, depending on his inclinations. That's even worse than not having any modeling tool.

wm2d would "not fit for such kind of exploration" if such kind of exploration were not based on classical physics, but searchers for gravity wheel don't say it needs new physics. They apply known physics laws for explaining their inventions. Thus wm2d applies too.

[Omnibus]

wm2d would "not fit for such kind of exploration" if such kind of exploration were not based on classical physics, but searchers for gravity wheel don't say it needs new physics. They apply known physics laws for explaining their inventions. Thus wm2d applies too.

The problem with wm2d isn't the classical physics it applies (the effect whose reality we're trying to establish is well within the confines of the less understood aspects of classical physics) but how it is applied. Instabilities in the numerical solving of differential equations (difference equations, rather) are a well known problem among others and it appears wm2d suffer from such problems to an unacceptable extent.

[mondrasek]

The problem with wm2d isn't the classical physics it applies (the effect whose reality we're trying to establish is well within the confines of the less understood aspects of classical physics) but how it is applied. Instabilities in the numerical solving of differential equations (difference equations, rather) are a well known problem among others and it appears wm2d suffer from such problems to an unacceptable extent.

I agree that WM2D suffers from the "well known problems".  I disagree with your assertion that they are to an "unacceptable extent."  Though I would prefer a better tool, I am comfortable with the limited abilities in this one to show that the Abeling wheel as it has been modeled is simply a balanced wheel.  If you find the results of the sim unacceptable, that is your prerogative.  It is not my intent to argue your conclusions.  I was only trying to show you how my understanding of the software and the simple tests able to be performed with it are in fact valid and are predicting exactly what Dusty has found in the real world so far.  I strongly believe it will continue to do so with his current build as well.  So do I think Dusty should stop?  Nope.  He should do exactly what he wants to with his build for his own purposes.  Likewise, I should state that I believe the sims are conclusive evidence of a non-runner.  And Omnibus should state that Omnibus believes whatever you do.  But please don't try and make your beliefs the absolute from which there cannot be other valid opinions.