Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[matrixman]

LMAO

Omni does doing this really do anything for you? Whatcha lookin for down there?

[Omnibus]

I know. For lack of real arguments that's the only thing you can come up with.

[fletcher]

Ok omnibus - so let's apply a little logic in a different way so I'll change the 'analogy' to a more common example.

This time let's talk about trajectories, which is very similar to the brachistochrome experiment.

I throw a base ball horizontally from a height of 1.5 meters - it hits the ground some distance away [travelling x horizontal distance & y vertical distance] in time z - I then drop the same base ball from the same height [y vertical distance] & it hits the ground at my feet in the same time z - is that right ?

What was the vertical component of the velocity [in both cases] ? - of course the ball I threw had a horizontal component of velocity/Ke & that came from my initial input of muscle calorie energy to throw it - that made its total Ke slightly larger than the free fall comparison but the vertical component was the same - is that right ?

N.B.1 assume that there was a vacuum to make it easier.

N.B.2. repeat the experiment but this time let the base ball roll down a flat slope to ground level so that no extra energy was added to the system by way of initial impetus i.e. both balls had zero Ke at start - the ramp ball obviously has velocity/speed made up of a vertical [y] & horizontal

• components giving total Ke - guess what - that's the same Ke total as the free falling ball [with only vertical velocity/Ke] even though it took longer to arrive at the ground - is that right ?
  
  There is no difference because no sideways thrust was externally applied by me - the ramp did exert an up & sideways thrust slowing its speed down but its total Ke was the same even if its velocity [vector i.e. with magnitude & direction] was different - is that right ?
  
  P.S.1 I'll draw a picture tomorrow if you want ?
  
  P.S.2 do any of these scenarios violate CoE as you propose ? - if so, which ones & why ? - if I throw the ball harder & it travels a further distance [say 2x] does that violate CoE in any way ?

[Omnibus]

@fletcher,

As I already told you, what you're trying to do is to divert from the conditions of the experiment to make it suit your preconceived motion. First, only consider spontaneous motion, never mind spending muscle energy. Second, always treat the entire physical travel, from beginning to end. Third, mind the fact that no matter what the inbetween discrepancy of potential energy might be, the overall potential energy change of each ball is the same.

Having in mind the above, you should recognize the obvious fact that, although expending the same potential energy:

1) Terminal velocity of each ball is different--its direction obviously differs for each ball.

2) Velocity (average) of each ball from beginning to end is different and therefore kinetic energy on the average has also been different for each ball.

There are further interesting physical things to be observed but for now the above suffices to conclude CoE has been violated--same potential energy transforms spontaneously into different kinetic energies.

[petersone]

Hi Bus
It is hard to go against your facts,start with the same pe,end with a different av. ke.
The only thing I question is if the 2 balls were allowed to travel on,level plain,would they come to rest at the same point at the same time.
peter