Animal cruelty, better be a vegetarian !

[onthecuttingedge2005]

6.7 billion people in the world and the majority eat meat. that's a lot of slaughtering for the masses.

glad to be a vegetarian.
Jerry

[WilbyInebriated]

the plight of the carrots...

"imagine the horror experienced by a sentient carrot, the terrible knowledge that you and all of the others in your field will be harvested for food, and, for the least lucky of you, the atrocity known as carrot juice.

the life of a carrot is a hard one. completely immobile, your entire existence is a strain, ever upwards toward the sun, toward light and life. but with growth comes vulnerability, first to darkness and thirst, then to weeds, then to the horrid rabbits, other rodents, and even some insects. since you cannot move, the water which gives you life can drown you if it comes too heavily or too often. and, even then, after surviving all that, your short life is snuffed out in the end by the brute of a farmer that raised you.

imagine the rage at a culture which idolizes and adores the fiend, bugs bunny. how they have reduced his senseless massacre of your brethren to a running gag, simplified it as a simple food fetish.

imagine the realization that you have been brought into the world solely for the purpose of slaughter and consumption. imagine the terror of knowing that every carrot in your field will meet the same awful fate, ending their existence in the shopping carts and dinner plates of the monsters which raised each and every one of you.

imagine knowing all of this, and not being able to fight back, to cry out, to run away. it is as tool's angel of the lord says to brother maynard: let the rabbits wear glasses! save our brothers. for, tomorrow is harvest day, and to them, it is the... "

http://everything2.com/title/Plight+of+the+carrots


DOES NO ONE CARE ABOUT THE CARROTS?  i do, and besides meat is friggen awesome tasting. who cares about cruelty, they are bred for us to slaughter just as the carrots are...

[Nabo00o]

Hopefully you are just joking. If not then this is just as stupid as some of the arguments used on the energetic forum about the same topic

First ask yourself a logical question: Why would carrots ever need the ability to feel pain, if they had no chance of either fleeing or fighting? This doesn't make sense!

Pain is not meant to be a thing of horror, it is a tool for all living life and makes them aware of dangerous situations, situations which they should be able to steer.

And to even believe that a carrot (a plant) is conscious even close to the level of humans or animals is to me strange. Mind,and the ability to think consciously is something that must evolve and plant are far less evolved than us.

I don't think they actually "like" being killed, but it don't think the sensation of pain and misery is even a percentage of that which animals feels when they die.

This way of living is a choice of choosing the smallest of two evils, and in this case I strongly believe that killing a few plants for a kg of food is better then killing hundreds if not thousands of plants for the same kilogram of meat (this is probably highly mis-underestimated) in additions to the animal itself.


There is much more to this, but if you have any pity to the thought of rationality at all than you should not joke this fact away. Meat-eating in general has extreme environmental bi-effects, not only counting the global warming (if it is caused by our greenhouse emissions).

Julian

[WilbyInebriated]

Hopefully you are just joking. If not then this is just as stupid as some of the arguments used on the energetic forum about the same topic

First ask yourself a logical question: Why would carrots ever need the ability to feel pain, if they had no chance of either fleeing or fighting? This doesn't make sense!

Pain is not meant to be a thing of horror, it is a tool for all living life and makes them aware of dangerous situations, situations which they should be able to steer.

And to even believe that a carrot (a plant) is conscious even close to the level of humans or animals is to me strange. Mind,and the ability to think consciously is something that must evolve and plant are far less evolved than us.

I don't think they actually "like" being killed, but it don't think the sensation of pain and misery is even a percentage of that which animals feels when they die.

This way of living is a choice of choosing the smallest of two evils, and in this case I strongly believe that killing a few plants for a kg of food is better then killing hundreds if not thousands of plants for the same kilogram of meat (this is probably highly mis-underestimated) in additions to the animal itself.


There is much more to this, but if you have any pity to the thought of rationality at all than you should not joke this fact away. Meat-eating in general has extreme environmental bi-effects, not only counting the global warming (if it is caused by our greenhouse emissions).

Julian

no i'm not. it's nice that you have such abundance of sustenance that you can bitch and whine about what you eat and what others should also eat.

whether or not carrots can feel 'pain' is irrelevant, they are alive are they not?

are you suggesting cattle and the like can experience 'horror'?  have any evidence they can? horror is human construct...

more irrelevance, plants are just as alive as cattle or chickens.

assumption...

'evil' is another human construct and also irrelevant.

so you are saying that only life that has a higher nervous system (one that can feel 'pain')  is the life we should not use for food? as far as your environmental argument, that is pure speculation, unless you have some irrefutable evidence to present.

say for arguments sake that all the 'horrific slaughter' stops now. what then of all the cattle and chickens and turkeys etc.? you bleeding hearts aren't going to be happy (yet again) when they all starting eating your veggie garden are you? sad fact is, your kind removed all the top level predators in the interest of 'safety' so you have no wolves, no bears, no lions left to cull the herd(s). in doing so (killing all the predators) you took that responsibility for culling on yourself, deal with it.

i think you assume too much...

[utilitarian]

are you suggesting cattle and the like can experience 'horror'?  have any evidence they can? horror is human construct...

Many animals display emotions similar to ours in certain situations.  They protect fellow herd members, mourn the loss of a child, and so forth.  You really should read up on the behaviors of elephants, wolves, dogs, apes, and so forth. 

It would be absurd to assume that we humans evolved with all of our emotions completely unique to our species.  It is much more likely that the emotions we have are ones that have evolved from lower animals.  So it is quite likely that the animals we feast on feel at least a portion of what a human would in a similar situation.