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Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?

Started by powercat, April 13, 2009, 06:40:33 PM

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Liberty

If he has nearly 400% gain from his circuit, forget the meter readings or solar panels and simply loop back a portion of the output to the input of his circuit and see if it continues to run.  That will tell you if it is over unity.  A capacitor should hold enough charge from the output to continue to run his device for the input power if it is truly going to work.
Liberty

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gyulasun

Quote from: Liberty on April 19, 2009, 07:28:16 PM
Interesting question.  Could a coil that is pulsed with a DC current forming an electromagnetic field in the core material of the coil be forming a larger magnet in sympathy to the flux flow from electromagnet on coil 1? 

When the field from the long piece of core material collapses, if another coil is on the same core that was in the original circuit that was pulsed, could the pulse back become larger due to the response of the core material forming a sympathetic magnetic field and then that field collapsing on the coils? 

Another way to put it; can there be a gain from a pulsed coil and an additional coil that is not in the first circuit, if the magnetic core is larger than the first coil and holds the additional magnetic field and collapses the magnetic field on both coils for output?

Hi Liberty, I would answer no for all 3 questions...

An interesting variant in this setup you show below is the Kunel patent.  (see here in English: http://rechercheblog.de/wp-content/downloads/KunelPatent.pdf
Kunel claims extra output power (higher out than in), by saying the permanent magnet flux is added to the flux what the input power creates. 
And this claim is investigated in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfaMCOMuWl8  and it has two more parts.  Conclusion: no extra output...


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Note diagram below.

             
########      ######################################
==================================================
===================Magnetic core material============
########      ######################################
Coil 1                                            Coil 2
Pulsed

BEMF pulse collected from both coils, but only coil 1 is pulsed.

It appears as though this is just a transformer and as I understand it, there is no gain, just a step up of voltage and a drop in current output in the coil with more turns...  But it may be operating different than a simple transformer, since the pulse starts and stops and then collects the BEMF pulse from both coils.  A core material that can hold a lot of flux before saturation, would enhance performance I would think.

Yes, this setup would work as a step up transformer and a very good quality core material would involve very low core loss and higher self-inductance coils with less number of turns (hence copper loss would also be less).  That is all I am afraid...
(Notice: to really work correctly in practice with good transformer efficiency (90-95% efficiency) you would have to use an U shape core of also good core quality to close the presently open magnetic path of the rod. So closed magnetic flux path should be formed from the cores like C+I shape or E+I with no airgap.)

Somehow Tommy should be persuaded to use some loop back circuit once he really has over 300% extra output...
Even a lossy Zener diode feedback could be tried...

rgds,  Gyula

amigo

My idea of the capacitor with the finite charge at the input was to serve the purpose of measuring the energy used up by the entire circuit to operate so that these 400% and other figures are not based on simple meter readings ratios.

I am not sure now that we really need to worry about any output harmonics or oscillating currents etc, if a cap is at the output, it will again present a finite charge. Same goes with the need to filter anything at that stage either as the capacitor will store whatever dielectric charge it's imparted onto.

Technically, the ratio of energy dissipated from the input capacitor and the energy stored in the output capacitor should give us an indication whether the circuit is producing excess of energy or not.

Please correct me if I'm wrong in my thinking.

gyulasun

&amigo

I think you are right.  However if a pulsed or oscillator circuit has output power very reach in harmonics you would need to use a wideband rectifier to be able charge a capacitor with all the output power the output signal contains.
(Here connects Dr Stiffler's use of 1N4148 or similar type diode in his SECs, it is a very wide band diode with good efficiency up to  some hundred MHz frequencies.)

I understood your finite charge capacitor usage at the input.

rgds,  Gyula

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