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This LTspice Simulation Model Will Blow Your Mind

Started by D.R.Jackson, May 03, 2009, 12:27:30 AM

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TinselKoala

There are some wrong statements in that post #3 above.

The poster is confusing the values of peak, RMS and mean (average) voltages of a fully symmetrical square voltage wave with what his power values are showing.

QuoteFirst of all the DC signal output has been worked on and perfected into a DC signal square wave output.  The amplitude of the DC signal is 8.23 Watts.  The rms, average and peak of a square wave are the same.  And please note that the output at this point across the 120 ohm load resistor is a DC Peak signal output of 8.23 Watts.

Unfortunately his DC input power is steady at 5.29 W. And his output is a pulsed "square" waveform that is only positive-going and has a duty cycle of 64 percent HIGH.

What is the CORRECT average output power, correctly calculated from the waveform?

It is the peak power multiplied by the duty cycle, 8.23 x 0.64 = 5.267 W. (using the value given in the text rather than on the scope)

Using the 8.33 figure read from the scope cursor rather than the text of the post, we have 5.33 W. That is, the average output power is the same as the average input power, within rounding and reading error.

http://www.vishay.com/resistors/pulse-energy-calculator/

IOW, the poster in Post #3 above has taken himself on a wild goose chase. There is no need to follow him!

QuoteMy finalized models for you will come to you with Acceptable Use Terms that you must abide by for using the concepts in research.  And you must agree to compensate me if you obtain a research grant for my innovations, and for if you want to consult with me.  And I reserve the right to charge a fee for consultations.

Why would anyone pay him for his  _wrong_ claims and calculations? Why is he posting such garbage on an OPEN SOURCE website?

QuoteI realized that my square wave output held up to the idea of a notable and demonstrable energy enhancement.  I was satisfied with that.  I did realize in the end what I was looking for.  And its hard to argue with the results when it comes to us in a square wave output in watts where the rms, average and peak power of the square wave are all one and the same.

But the output is NOT a "square wave". It is a positive going pulse with an asymmetric duty cycle. You cannot make orange juice out of apples and potatoes, no matter how much food coloring you try to add.

This one gets a ROFL for sure. Thanks for bumping the thread!

conradelektro

LTspice is a powerful tool, in the right hands. I am currently in the process of learning LTspice and can see how easily one can get hurt.

Even if some LTspice simulation showed OU it would mean nothing. Only a real contraption could prove OU by demonstrating plausible measurements and tests. And most important, any "OU device" has to be shown running in a close loop (output is fed back to input and still drives some load).

LTspice incorporates only formulas, concepts and theories which by definition can not lead to OU. Any "OU result" would be a mathematical artefact (like rounding errors, division by a very small number or wrong use of a simulation method or principle).

Greetings, Conrad

TinselKoala

Sure, but in this case there isn't any difficulty. As isim shows above, all you need to do is ask LTSpice to compute the average power in the "square wave"  that isn't actually a square wave,  and it comes up with the correct answer, just as the Vishay calculator does. There isn't any OU shown in the original measurements. The claimant has calculated incorrectly, based on false assumptions and faulty understanding.

The whole set of claims of D.R. Jackson, all those words and projections, are based upon his faulty understanding of the basics of power measurement, and the faulty interpretation of his measurement. Where have we seen this kind of thing before?



isim

I agree with you two; and I think we can't let such writings without answers...  even if its an old post!
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raburgeson

Gabriel Kron spoke of the heavy side of the circuit. He admitted the government told him what he was allowed to say and how to say it. Maybe if you look at some of his formulas you might find something. His words were chosen about the materials for the negitive resistor. It had a exacting placement in the circuit that was never revealed.