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Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications

Started by hartiberlin, May 28, 2009, 05:54:52 PM

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minde4000

Quote from: wattsup on August 10, 2009, 12:43:01 PM
@minde4000

You maybe will not repond but that's OK.

You are right in asking @TH such a question but I think I know why your results are not as good as @THs.

I would only ask one question to @TH.

Approximately how many coils did you try before you actual saw your acceleration effect. If he responds with many many coils were tried, then you also have your answer and so do I to realize that the shorted coils have to be trimmed.

Meaning what. It's all a question of timing. Timing will be affected by rotor diameter, magnet spacing, coil core diameter, coil size, etc. All this will play in the timing. Your general parameters of your build may be just out of the range of timing you can finally adjust with the only variable - rpm. Your set-up may need 6000 rpm or more.

I think if you put your shorted coil is series with a multi tapped coil, meaning a coil with many winds, let's say 500 turns, with a tap at every 50 turns going out of the coil. You can then put that coil in series with your coil and try different taps. Each tap will change the timing of the coil. If none of those taps work to get a better acceleration, then this means your coil itself is way out of range and the motor rpm cannot find the sweet spot.

Or, just add 5 more coils of 20-50 turn each over your existing coil and do the series connections as you wish and try it like that.

I don't know how to explian it better then that.


I understand that I have not tried many different coils. I do not have resources for that at the moment. I need 2 large bobbins and some more awg 22 wire so I would have a setup pretty closely matching T's. I am sure that large bifilars with lets say 22 awg mounted onto toroid like he has would act different so I have not tried this yet but I am getting there slowly. But how much different? Inventor insist that he does overcome core losses + power production. As far as we have gone - we cant pass core losses and not even mentioning power production.

But as I said before there are many different configs to be done before final conclusions to be presented here by me or others.

What does bother me: is unanswered key questions for one reason or the other. You pick.

Minde

i_ron

Quote from: wattsup on August 10, 2009, 12:43:01 PM
@minde4000

You maybe will not repond but that's OK.

You are right in asking @TH such a question but I think I know why your results are not as good as @THs.

I would only ask one question to @TH.

Approximately how many coils did you try before you actual saw your acceleration effect. If he responds with many many coils were tried, then you also have your answer and so do I to realize that the shorted coils have to be trimmed.

Meaning what. It's all a question of timing. Timing will be affected by rotor diameter, magnet spacing, coil core diameter, coil size, etc. All this will play in the timing. Your general parameters of your build may be just out of the range of timing you can finally adjust with the only variable - rpm. Your set-up may need 6000 rpm or more.

I think if you put your shorted coil is series with a multi tapped coil, meaning a coil with many winds, let's say 500 turns, with a tap at every 50 turns going out of the coil. You can then put that coil in series with your coil and try different taps. Each tap will change the timing of the coil. If none of those taps work to get a better acceleration, then this means your coil itself is way out of range and the motor rpm cannot find the sweet spot.

Or, just add 5 more coils of 20-50 turn each over your existing coil and do the series connections as you wish and try it like that.

I don't know how to explian it better then that.


Wattsup, I would suggest you preform these very experiments and report your findings to the group.

I saw this same diehard support of the inventor in the mylow group so your credibility has worn a bit thin with me.

I have reported my findings openly and honestly, so has Minde, now lets have yours and Thane's.

Ron

CRANKYpants

Quote from: minde4000 on August 10, 2009, 01:53:55 PM
As far as we have gone - we cant pass core losses and not even mentioning power production.
Minde

CORE LOSSES ARE A NON ISSUE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE CORES ARE A COMMON DENOMINATOR IN BOTH CONVENTIONAL DECELERATING GENERATORS AND REGENERATIVE ACCELERATING GENERATORS.

CAN YOU AGREE THAT CONVENTIONAL GENERATORS HAVE CORES?

T

minde4000

Here is one thingy. My coil measures some 2.15 H inductance at 120 hz and as a capacitor at 1 khz. Also I have an aircap .2 mf. According to formulas my resonant freq is some 250 hz. And if I connect that cap in parallel to bifilar I dont dare to hit that resonant spot or my rotor is ready to peal my coil off the brackets. I learned this the hard way when I let it rundown with cap connected. When it hit some 1600-1400 rpm looked like rotor tried to "grab" my coil (jeez!) also multimeter was hooked up and it just fried right there...

If start to run system up I cant pass 1300 rpm. Motor cant overcome it.

What is going on there at resonance?

Minde


baroutologos

Hey minde,

I have experimenting with caps also. see the Barto'lenzess etc capacitor http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7904.0 thread.When you apply a cap, and progressing towards a  resonant mode,
amps are mounting as well as volts.

My rotor at some reasonant rpm, exerts such break-effect on the coil that tends to smash coils' basis, and acts like an ABS breaking system!

I think that with the help of the cap, at this near-resonant frequency, each alternating current cycle stacks. Cap is overcharged and energy is accumulating will potential disastrous effects.

I tend to think at the moment this is not something desirable.

Regards,
Baroutologos