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Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications

Started by hartiberlin, May 28, 2009, 05:54:52 PM

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samedsoft

AT ANY RATE THE PHYSICAL MODEL IS ALMOST IDENTIACL IN OPERATION TO THE CONCEPTUALIZED MODEL

WHEN SECONDARY 1 AND SECONDARY 2 ARE ON LOAD THEIR BACK EMF INDUCED FLUXES ENTER EACH OTHER AND MAINTAIN THE VOLTAGE ACROSS THE LOAD RATHER THAN GOING DOWN THE HIGHER RELUCTANCE PRIMARY FLUX PATH - CAUSING THE PRIMARY IMPEDENCE TO DROP AND DRAW MORE SOURCE CURRENT.

Dear Thane,

  Congradulations!

   You mention above CONCEPTUALIZED MODEL, do you have simulations for this system?

   How do you calculate coupling and power factor for bifilar coil?

   Do you have more resource and technical documents on this system?

   Best Regards,
   Nuri Temurlenk
 

minde4000

So "acceleration" effect is not really acceleration effect it is more like a coggin torque + lenz "relief" effect. AC 2 pole induction motor will ALWAYS try to synchronize with 3600 rpm as long as it has enough torque (voltage in particular motor and case)  to overcome the resistive load (it speeds up to ~3600 rpm even @ 40V no load).   Seems like the more coils we are using the more relief we get. How about using 8-11 coils or double sided with 16-22 coils with coggin and lenz almost eliminated (some 3500rpm) and cause prime mover to draw minimum power while in a mean time harvest generator output without killing the effects? Starting system acceleration could be achieved by converting 50%-100% of the generator coils into startup driving (as many have said before) and then switch to regenerative mode.

I understand saying is easy doing is not due to financial issues mostly but open mind colaboration is always great. Looks like it depends of what point of view you looks at this. Prime mover point of view - just a relief (because system does not reach 3600rpm). In comparision with regular generator point of view looks like acceleration (vs speed decrease in regular gen).   

relief <3500rpm< acceleration                        100rpm loss due to rotor "natural" resistance               

Minde

baroutologos

Yes MInde, from so far observations, clues point out that accelarations is not accerelation indeed.
This clearly could be seen in the videos when Thane closes the motor, the system slows down damn fast.

On the other hand I have noticed that when the coils are shorted the system goes as "lubricated" and cog free to a degree. (when i put two coils simultaneously on two magnets when shorted cogging torque minimized but still there)

The most important about Perepiteia as i understand it so far is that It's lenz's-less generator. With some stray losses anyway as all machinery has.

My huntch says that if you add 10 "state of the art" coils at 3500 rpm with minimum input consumption you most likely have your FE machine.

Of course if the inventor has any different view on that , he has nothing more to do than to put the system to full throtle and go some 4000 rmp or well above  :) in the particular grinder at the same voltage rates.

Regards,
Baroutologos

minde4000

If that would be the case I wonder why then T said he is going after non accelerating nor decelerating max power output design. And then I tought he mentioned before he was after eliminating coggin and lenz that would mean going after "acceleration" design wich would permit multiple coil/rotor use on single prime mover in the future.  But this would be the case if baroutologos is right.

Cheers

minde4000

Quote from: baroutologos on June 27, 2009, 02:31:48 PM

1)  Yes MInde, from so far observations, clues point out that accelarations is not accerelation indeed. My huntch says that if you add 10 "state of the art" coils at 3500 rpm with minimum input consumption you most likely have your FE machine.

2)  Of course if the inventor has any different view on that , he has nothing more to do than to put the system to full throtle and go some  4000 rmp or well above  :) in the particular grinder at the same voltage rates.

Baroutologos

relief <3500rpm< acceleration

You just went for both. You cant go above 3600rpm on dipole ac induction without physically adding acceleration at any throttle (rofl). It will start acting as brake and should be disconnected to allow "self" runner now -  to accelerate :) so thats why I  think this is not acceleration. If you need prime mover to sustain working rpm it means your effect is relief and not acceleration.

EDIT: unless we have never seen many coils working together maybe they are accelerating. T will tell


Minde