Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications

[broli]

@Broli : Your answer tells me that you have not understood my point. It may be because of the fact that I miss ( as a german ) the correct grammer.
Before you ever measure a device under load the first thing you do is to measure the idle-mode and determine real power in joule or wattseconds to generate appearant power. I do not know how to make it more clear.
At least Thane has got the point although he is not expressing this directly

Thane gave all the needed data to calculate this. Whether the data is wrong is something else entirely. But I assume it's correct, if that's the case there's obvious overunity. If thane's budget allows it he could close the loop by rectifying the output and feeding it into an inverter which drives the primary. There might be an initial runaway until the loses equal the gain. But the power of the current prototype is probably too low to overcome all the loses to close the loop.

[wattsup]

@baroutologos

Just got back from a short fishing trip with my wife. It was not good fishing but the north of Quebec is great to calm the soul. I notice no one has responded to your post located here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7530.msg195132#msg195132

I am following your work closely as it is giving me final set points for my build spec.

I see you have used the 10 strand twisted to make your coil. Please note that this coil wind method is great for the generator part of your build but probably not the acceleration part since it is designed to provide great core to coil transfer while keeping the coils magnetic field inside the coil so it will not adversely affect the magnets as they approach the core.

I have noticed a few things on what you have tried and would like to provide my impressions if it is all right with you.

First I notice that the core side closest to the magnet maybe be rather far from the magnet since you have about 1/2" of the core comming out of the coil. Is it possible fo you to try and wind a small 16 to 18 awg coil at the core end and us this as the shorted coil to accelerate and use the big coil for output power. I have made a small diagram for you shown below. This is just a test as it can give many new insights. You can also try with the big coil in series with the small coil then to a load. This will still create a good energ flow through the small coil.

Also, I see you have used that laminated connector between the cores to connect them together. I would remove that piece and keep your coils separate. One of the main reasons is how the power transfer from core to coil is being done, that cross bar will not help and may be causing some mutual coil cancellation. The simple fact that your magnets are alternating north to south should be enough for a straight core/coil to work OK.

Question: Do you have access to some capacitors. I am thinking 1mf-50v range but am basing it on my experience in using caps and have no calculation ability to really fix the best value. If you have several of these or near that range and if you can make a small coil at the end of your present coil, maybe try to connect only one capacitor in series with that shorted small coil. Try it. Then add a second capacitor in parallel to the first and see the effect.

I know I am asking much and please feel at home to simply ignore this post as I have no right to ask you anything in actual fact. My only push to do so is that your results would help me get my own build specs finalized. I am looking to make a build that could possible have the potential as a next generation already. I do not have metal machine shop so all the making will be contracted outside and I just do not want to make any mistakes and plan for possible future flexibility.

One of my theories is that the magnet does not need the complete coil to have the acceleration effect. It only needs that part of the coil field that is closest to the magnet, so why make the total coil as shorted. If this theory can prove to have some validity, then the acceleration could be done with thicker wire with less turns. That would mean much more flexibility in design.

Keep well and again good work and thanks for sharing your results.

wattsup

@TH

It's up to you but maybe you can consider to open a new thread for you transformer coil thingy and start fresh. Damn nice work.

[CRANKYpants]

@ALL

I SPLIT THE THREAD TODAY AND GAVE BARTO HIS OWN THREAD CALLED,
"BARTOS LENZLESS CAPACITOR THING" OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

T

[CRANKYpants]

@baroutologos

@TH

It's up to you but maybe you can consider to open a new thread for you transformer coil thingy and start fresh. Damn nice work.

I CONSIDERED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD BUT IN REALITY THE TRANSFORMER AND "ORIGINAL" GENERATOR COIL STARTED WITH THE SAME PREMISE - TO CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE FLUX PATH FOR THE BACK EMF INDUCED FLUX - EITHER AWAY FROM THE PRIMARY COIL AS PER THE TRANSFORMER OR AWAY FROM THE ROTOR AS PER THE GENERATOR - SO IN A WAY IT IS FITTING TO HAVE IT HERE.

THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIdu1lWVW0
AND IF YOU REPLACE THE ROTOR WITH THE PRIMARY YOU HAVE THE TRANSFORMER - SORT OF.

T

[baroutologos]

@wattup

Ok, for being not offensive, i try to keep info/questions/answers regarding the cap-coil setup to the newly opened thread

Perepiteia Findings recap
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As for the inward magnetic field that multifillar coils do, i have not a clue about that. The only thing i verified, after Aether22 findings a year ago, is that the accelaration under short phenomenon is turns dependent.
I have experimented so far with single wire:
-55 ohms 29 AWG
-75 ohms 29 AWG
-110 ohms 29 AWG
Biffilar setups - series /  parallel connected
- 36 ohms x 2 ---> 72 ohms 29AWG and 18 ohms in parallel mode
- 23.5 x 2 ----> 47 ohms 24 AWG and 12 ohms in parallel mode
- 25 x 2 ----> 50 ohms 24AWG and 12.5 hhms in parallel mode
Trifilar setup
-6.5 ohms x 3 ---> 20 ohms 29 AWG and 2 ohms in parallel mode

Ten-filar (current setup) exaggerated just to show the point in parallel connection
-10 ohms x 10 ----> 1 ohm 29 AWG

And imagine have done many combinations of them.
I am in possition to safely conclude that acceleration is turns depended.

Regarding you suggestion
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You cannot achieve acceleration in conventional terms with a 200 turns single coil with 16 awg coil no matter what Wattup! if you do, pls do tell me.
But, with 200 turns of 20 fillar coil (fine wire), accelaration is there and a good one.

The question is:
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What is best to deal with high voltage low current accelarating setups or vice versa?
I tend towards lower voltage because, motor is battery powered and if any hope of OU is to be achieved it should be in lower voltage range.

By the way there are reasons that higher voltage is desired.
As far as the cap questions concern. i employ them instead of step down transformers so as to speak, but from rough calculations and observations i have reasons to believe are more efficient at taking power out.

closing the magnetic flux
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I have experimented with the current coils, with the bottom lamination and without it.
My findings are (do not have the xls file on hand) @ 1500 rpm:
closed flux path 90 vac @ 1.3 amps
open flux path 60 vac @ 1.6 amps

Definetely there is improvement in closing the flux path.

Regards,
baroutologos