Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?

[IronShell3d]

Curie point magnetic / heat motor video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWrTvB-oK94

The metal Monel 400 has a curie temperature of 35 deg C / 95 deg F.

So as a magnet will heat an approaching ferrite as it drives the ferrite up it's BH curve, can a magnet deliver enough heat (via hysteresis loss) into a ferrite to cause it's permeability to drop lower than when it approached the magnet?

IronShell3d

[IronShell3d]

Well, since H fields are defined as:
H = B/μ0 - M

you are talking about B fields indirectly since it is considered more fundamental than H fields (The units are actually A/m not ampere-turn/meter, btw)

Regardless, I'm still not sure what you're claiming exactly. You keep saying "there is no free lunch" wrt energy, though, which I guess is true (if you don't think fusion energy is FE)...

Are you saying the heat generated from hysteresis loss in magnets is sort of like "Free energy" that can be extracted from iron? You're kind of dancing around your point(s)  without getting into specifics, imo.

edit:
If you really want to show that you're onto something you should  perform a simple experiment then publish  (or post here) if you get any interesting results. Maybe you can achieve some interesting results by exploiting hysteresis (?), but I have serious doubts.

Some references from:

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp

Magnetic Field Strength (H) -
Magnetizing or demagnetizing force, is the measure of the vector magnetic quantity that determines the ability of an electric current, or a magnetic body, to induce a magnetic field at a given point; measured in Oersteds.

Magnetic Induction (B) -
The magnetic field induced by a field strength, H, at a given point. It is the vector sum, at each point within the substance, of the magnetic field strength and the resultant intrinsic induction. Magnetic induction is the flux per unit area normal to the direction of the magnetic path.

Oersted (Oe) -
The C.G.S. unit for magnetizing force. The English system equivalent is Ampere Turns per Inch (1 Oersted equals 79.58 A/m). The S.I. unit is Ampere Turns per Meter.

Permeability (µ) -
The ratio of the magnetic induction of a material to the magnetizing force producing it (B/H).  The magnetic permeability of a vacuum (µo) is 4π×10-7 N/Amp2.

So B = H x Permeability.

BTW the heat from the ferrite hysteresis loss (provided by the Iron atoms shell 3d electrons stored energy), just drives desirable permeability changes in the ferromagnetic material. It is not a direct energy source. The negative relationship between ferrite temperature and B (as permeability drops in the ferrite so to does the ferrite's B contribution) caused by the heating is also part of the effect.

Fusion is not free energy. Just releasing a bit of energy that is no longer required. There NO FREE ENERGY. Using energy always comes at a price.

IronShell3d

[newbie123]

BTW the heat from the ferrite hysteresis loss (provided by the Iron atoms shell 3d electrons stored energy), just drives desirable permeability changes in the ferromagnetic material. It is not a direct energy source. The negative relationship between ferrite temperature and B (as permeability drops in the ferrite so to does the ferrite's B contribution) caused by the heating is also part of the effect.

Fusion is not free energy. Just releasing a bit of energy that is no longer required. There NO FREE ENERGY. Using energy always comes at a price.

IronShell3d

Well, some do actually consider fusion  energy to be "free energy"  even though it  comes from somewhere, but  this isn't what I'm asking you about..        you didn't answer my question.


The above youtube video shows an interesting effect (without any excess energy) the moving magnet is getting it's energy to move from the flame.

[magpower]

Curie point magnetic / heat motor video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWrTvB-oK94

The metal Monel 400 has a curie temperature of 35 deg C / 95 deg F.

So as a magnet will heat an approaching ferrite as it drives the ferrite up it's BH curve, can a magnet deliver enough heat (via hysteresis loss) into a ferrite to cause it's permeability to drop lower than when it approached the magnet?

IronShell3d

IronShell3d

Thanks for the links and still thinking it over. I did try my 4" long ferrite by 1/2" dia with same size on rod magnet, but then thought the I need very large magnet to saturate the ferrite rod. I think these are old and have curie temp 300c. so will hunt for some low temp ferrite to test.

Then the big question will the magnet flux cause the ferrite to heat fast enough and cause a change, maybe but might not be good for a engine. Maybe you might know!
Thanks Again
Wayne

[lostcauses10x]

If such is going to happen, uses of a different force will com into play. Such as gravity.

Finsrud for one, and here is a vidio..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP_o1_jBUSM
Such is what might work with such.