Do we need Free Energy at all ?

[triffid]

I figure that I will take my invention to the grave.Because I don't want it used as a weapon.Somebody would get the idea of inflicting 3000 degree heat upon a human body.I have made small models of it and reached 500 degrees quickly.Two by four boards burst into flame within seconds(about 3 seconds).I only made 10 inch x 12 inch models.They could make you go blind without welders dark googles.I got material for much larger ones but have been afraid to put them together(about 3 feet x 3 feet).If I do nothing with this someone else will rediscover it in about 25 years I guess.Triffid

[onthecuttingedge2005]

Hi jibbguy.

sounds like you have plenty to say and I agree with some of it except the idea of commercializing huge solar and wind farms which take up enormous amounts of space to achieve 1 city wide grid for energy needs, fusion on the other hand can power thousands of city grids and take up a very small area maybe the size of a small warehouse "IF" the fusion process is advanced enough to compact it and the magnetic fields to contain are shielded with Metglas layers or future shielding techniques that way nobody has anything to complain about.

on the other hand, if one wants to place their own Solar & Wind devices on their own roof that would be a benefit, but who's going to pay for the entire transaction of getting everyone off the grid, I know I can't afford to flip that bill and there are people who could never afford it even if they could save enough money for ten years, only the upper middle class who make a decent wage could touch it on a financial practical level that won't break their bank account.

I don't like wind farms because they kill birds flying in the dark and sometimes in the day time, they have no protective shrouds or screens to protect birds from getting sliced or bludgeoned to death by props. Solar is more friendly than Wind but Solar takes up to much ecological space for plants and animal habitats unless of course you develop them in desert regions which have next to no life in them and there is always something.

if we really want to change the world I and everyone else should try to help the fusion research because it can be small and friendly to the enviroment, the only pollution it gives off is Helium which tends to get lost in the most upper edge of space as a free particle and since Helium is the only true inert gas it will not combine with any known substance to form molecules of any nature. clean and safe if done the right way safely. also you can't get a run away fusion reaction because the reactions require a specific velocity temperature to obtain the reaction, if any un-stableness occurs in the reaction it by the laws of nature shuts down and the reaction stops, you can't much safer than that and there is never any chance of melt downs because of this nature of fusion needing precise requirements. fusion reactions can produce 30,000,000 times more energy than the best wind, Solar, Chemical reactions known to mankind, one single decent size fusion plant could supply most of Americas needs indefinitely.

Later Gator
Jerry

[infringer]

Hindsight is 2020

The government can easily throw billions into projects that do not pan out!

And that is just one simple project heh.

Now you know how many homes could have free energy with just one of those billions.

Do the math and get back to me the average home uses are estimated as follows:
bliographic Entry     Result
(w/surrounding text)    Standardized
Result
"Electrical Energy." The New Book of Popular Science. 2000 edition. Grolier Incorporated, 1998.    "A kilowatt-hour is the electrical energy consumed in one hour at the constant rate of one kilowatt. The average household in the United States uses about 8,900 kilowatt-hours of electricity each year."    1,020 W
Casebolt, Cathlene. Home Alone- Living Off the Grid. Home Energy Magazine Online. (May/June 1993).    "When Bob Hammond built a house near Prescott, Arizona, he decided to get off the utility grid. To do so, he designed a home that uses only about 885 kWh of electricity a year, a fraction of the 9,300 kWh of neighboring homes. He turned to photovoltaic (PV) solar panels to generate electricity from direct sunlight, designing a 1,400 W system that is totally independent of the utility power grid."    1,060 W
Wohlmut, Kevin. Conserving Household Power. 21 January 2002.    "With the 'fridge on, the dial spun every 40 seconds;  it spun 90 times in an hour;  therefore, the whole house (including the refrigerator) was using, we estimated, 900 Watts in an hour."    900 W

So we use 900watts on average!

Whoopdy! Very achievable sustainable power is possible we just choose not to use our earmarks on proven technology.

Easy as cake solar in no snow climates and wind in snow climates.

Energy crisis solved!

We all pay taxes already if I remember correctly Jefferson said once taxes reached 33% it would be considered slavery hell we have hit that number a number of years back!

Let our tax dollars be spent with wisdom instead of wishes!

PS a waste of silicon is computers the evolve so fast no one can afford to keep up.

And you wanna talk about being a bird killer the automobile kills way more birds they have roofing that kills birds to stop the spread of infectious disease ...

So cry all you want about birds dying from them but they too will adapt and learn that they can't go near the big swinging blade.

None of these complaints have sufficient data to back up the claim not to use solar or wind.

Desert areas in every country would be great for this and maybe even the shade from the tower or panels would allow for many animals to live more easily hard saying but I promise you this it is a waste of nothing and it is not pointless it is conservation at its best!

Energy from solar and wind should be prime investments the more we invest in it the more there efficient they will become complain all you want but they are here to stay and the more people that buy into it the faster we will see improvements in energy generation at home period cause not only do these investments drive wind turbine and solar panel production they drive charge controller and grid tie prices and advancements as well as battery advancements as well.

[onthecuttingedge2005]

Hindsight is 2020

what's 2020?

The government can easily throw billions into projects that do not pan out!

there are thousands of brilliant minds working on these problems, it requires a lot of research and money. the only problem here is Capitalism nothing else.

And that is just one simple project heh.

which project?

Now you know how many homes could have free energy with just one of those billions.

are "you" going to hook us up?

Do the math and get back to me the average home uses are estimated as follows:
bliographic Entry     Result
(w/surrounding text)    Standardized
Result
"Electrical Energy." The New Book of Popular Science. 2000 edition. Grolier Incorporated, 1998.    "A kilowatt-hour is the electrical energy consumed in one hour at the constant rate of one kilowatt. The average household in the United States uses about 8,900 kilowatt-hours of electricity each year."    1,020 W
Casebolt, Cathlene. Home Alone- Living Off the Grid. Home Energy Magazine Online. (May/June 1993).    "When Bob Hammond built a house near Prescott, Arizona, he decided to get off the utility grid. To do so, he designed a home that uses only about 885 kWh of electricity a year, a fraction of the 9,300 kWh of neighboring homes. He turned to photovoltaic (PV) solar panels to generate electricity from direct sunlight, designing a 1,400 W system that is totally independent of the utility power grid."    1,060 W
Wohlmut, Kevin. Conserving Household Power. 21 January 2002.    "With the 'fridge on, the dial spun every 40 seconds;  it spun 90 times in an hour;  therefore, the whole house (including the refrigerator) was using, we estimated, 900 Watts in an hour."    900 W

So we use 900watts on average!

Not very efficient but it does help, but, who's going to flip the bill for the rest of us?

Whoopdy! Very achievable sustainable power is possible we just choose not to use our earmarks on proven technology.

if you can talk to the government and ask them to flip a bill in congress so that everyone can have free solar panels that would be great, I don't however think it will get very far, spending a minimal of 10,000 and a maximum of 200,000 U.S dollars per house hold and or warehouse and or industry is not financially sane.

Easy as cake solar in no snow climates and wind in snow climates.

I live in snow country 4 or 5 months out of the year, it's not windy enough to drive a wind generator all the time. that means I still need to be on the grid at some point.

Energy crisis solved!

not hardly.

We all pay taxes already if I remember correctly Jefferson said once taxes reached 33% it would be considered slavery hell we have hit that number a number of years back!

makes a poor man poorer. who's gonna hook them up?

Let our tax dollars be spent with wisdom instead of wishes!

if you have some good ideas about spending our tax dollars your breath would be of more use writing to the U.S Congress on designing a new Bill rather than here on the forum. lets us know what occurs please. that's a topic all to itself.

PS a waste of silicon is computers the evolve so fast no one can afford to keep up.

in 20 years silicon won't be the basis for computers, Physics are working on the next generation and I might tell you again, there are some wickedly smart people working on the solutions here as well.

And you wanna talk about being a bird killer the automobile kills way more birds they have roofing that kills birds to stop the spread of infectious disease ...

so, do you want to add another calculation to the extinction of species, there are ways to do all this without the extinction process. you can't see a prop on a wind generator at night very well and you can't hardly see it at all on a new moon night, some flocks of birds get startled and fly into them, just place safety screens on the wind props to prevent this. don't you care about the environment?

So cry all you want about birds dying from them but they too will adapt and learn that they can't go near the big swinging blade.

It really sounds here like you just don't care about the environment, I don't think I would want you to supervise any field testing of a new wind generator farm, the number one rule is "Safety First" or did you ever have a supervisor job that taught you that?

None of these complaints have sufficient data to back up the claim not to use solar or wind.

I can see forests and forests of Wind Generators as far as the eye can see, it's to bad we had no room for those lovely tree's. I have no complaints so long as the plan was thought hard about and made ecologically sound.

Desert areas in every country would be great for this and maybe even the shade from the tower or panels would allow for many animals to live more easily hard saying but I promise you this it is a waste of nothing and it is not pointless it is conservation at its best!

the desert would be the best place but we want to keep it clean as possible. some companies might abuse it because it's so isolated and unseen to the public eye, so we'd have to be careful here.

Energy from solar and wind should be prime investments the more we invest in it the more there efficient they will become complain all you want but they are here to stay and the more people that buy into it the faster we will see improvements in energy generation at home period cause not only do these investments drive wind turbine and solar panel production they drive charge controller and grid tie prices and advancements as well as battery advancements as well.

it is only a temporary solution, it uses a lot of resources and many people don't recycle their old equipment so we'd have to entice people into recycling their old for the new. who's going to reinforce this?

Jerry

[rangerover444]

 It’s common to think that we are among an energy crisis, but looking at
it from the other end, what we see is “energy consumption crisis”, which
stream from the growing number of electric appliances/instruments which
are “inflicting” on us by the “new technology craze”. 

Who will resist a new laptop w/ 5GHZ + 1,000 GB HD for $1,200 ?
or a washing machine / dryer in one unit for $1,600 ?  And a long list of
“future machines” that based on electricity ?
On the other end, what if HP annual sales will remain the same for 5 years ?
What if Apple’s sale will drop 4 years in a raw ? 
What if the annual revenue of Germany will not grow from year to year ?
Those beasts must be fed, no matter what.  This is the name of the game.
And consumption for electricity, will keep rising globally. Yes free energy,
No free energy - that’s minor. Because the free energy personal device, all
it can do is to serve the growing demand, and the environmental and health
by-products of this craze, sooner or later will start
to show it’s face.

Go and find on the net a serious research about this type of pollution. You will
find a few of them, old ones about the cell phone hysteria in 2001 and maybe
a few more, since no one suspect 7 billion electricity consumers can do any harm…..
Just look back 100 years or so, who would mess w/ the oil companies that pushed
forward the car industry without suspecting there is something wrong ?
Isn’t that what happen now w/ electricity ? Even if we had OU personal devices ?

  As a rule, everything that is manufacturer artificially by human - have a price.
It’s not because I say so, it’s how this earth is built, how weather function, how
our nerve system function, how forests cleans the air, etc. etc.
Or if you want to be more honest with yourself, buy a gauss meter and walk around
your house and see all this free energy radiation spills at every corner…..  So maybe
some heath departments told you “it’s not danger”, but that’s exactly what they said
in New York 1940 about the air pollution….

I’m not suggesting what to do or not what to do, since I don’t have a solution for that,
just bring up another aspect of the device you are trying to build. Another direction
to think about is how to reduce the demand for energy, instead of build another new
technology (OU) that will support this line ?


Cheers.