Colloidal Silver Water

[Goat]

@ All

The more I think of this subject the more I think we should have a separate thread maybe titled "Colloidal Silver Truth and Fallacies" or something like that with the best available known proof to prove or disprove the information we find along the way.

What do you all think about this idea?

Regards,
Paul

[exxcomm0n]

The more I think of this subject the more I think we should have a separate thread maybe titled "Colloidal Silver Truth and Fallacies" or something like that with the best available known proof to prove or disprove the information we find along the way.
What do you all think about this idea?
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Great idea!
I think it would be even better if those interested in making CS as a health supplement post their experiences and production methodologies to the thread and establish a non-biased source of info for others curious about CS to study. Maybe name it "CS experimentation, replication, and results"?

Since this is such a relatively inexpensive process (aerated silver electrolysis) those who are doing it anyway could set up a battery of tests using the same distilled water type/brand and electrical delivery voltage/amperage in a production run. Then use the same testing tools to independently verify characteristics and concentrations made.

This could separate a lot of fact from fiction in the information available on the web.

One of the 1st tests I thought of doing myself was to brew up some agar to fill petri dishes (you can make them by using a pretty cheap glass craft making tool to cut the bottoms off soda/beer/wine bottles. Reusable and easily capped with a clear plastic cling wrap), use a bit of saliva (reportedly 300-600+ bacteria types) to start the cultures so they all have the same range of bacteria, and after they are fully cultured spray them with CS samples drawn off every hour from a production run to get a crude idea of the effectiveness of different concentrations.

I think your going a bit overboard here, testing it would be cool.  I have taken in weekly for years and maybe eaten 1 thing of yogart in 15 years.  It is by far not a instant thing, if you feel your getting sick you take it, and you will be over your cold much faster.. but it's not going to instantly or even 1-2 days clear it up.  It's a passive element, not nanites seeking single cell organisms and destroying them.

I think it would be better to use the lowest effective daily dosage to keep a constant systemic amount in your body.
I would prefer to skip the "feel you're getting sick" part of your advice above, if possible.

if your worried about good bacteria dying, take it anally, you colon will absorb it 20-40x faster?  (I only heard that drinking beer anally is absorbed quicker from the show Manswers)

Yup, that's a fact medical professionals are still trying to use to get patients to take anal suppositories.
I think I'll try pure good/bad bacteria cultures control testing to find out if it's an issue before I accept delivery via the "Hershey highway" as a viable method.
In fact, I'll stick with the yogurt! I like it anyway.

Don't be too concerned about killing off the good bacteria inside of our body systems.
Colloidal Silver just kills the nasty guys, the anaerobic bacteria while it doesn't effect the good guys which are aerobic. 

I'd like to (dis)prove this for myself since the North Texas University/Brigham Young studies on Staph bacteria don't address it. I think I'd like to try the culture idea above to test the idea if I can find an easy way to get a pure sample of an anaerobic and an aerobic culture and treat them with the different dosages of CS to compare effects.

Good ideas/questions/observations though gents!

[zenmountain]

anaerobic versus aerobic bacteria and silver use

Here is a basic little blurb from somewhere on the net about this issue-

Certain bacteria are essential to healthy body function, such as acidophilus. Several researchers claim colloidal silver only attacks the unfriendly pathogens and will not harm the friendly. But one must wonder then how it can possibly differentiate. One explanation is that the friendly bacteria are aerobic, while unfriendly bacteria are anaerobic. Also, it is said that the silver does not attack bacteria directly, but rather decomposes certain enzymes the anaerobic bacteria, viruses, yeast, and molds require. The silver acts as a catalyst and is not consumed in the process. It is probable that the reason the bacteria cannot develop a resistance to silver, as they do to antibiotics, is because silver does not attack and kill them directly, but rather destroys the enzymes they depend on.

[zenmountain]

Hi all-

Here's an important quote referring to colloidal silver.

"To date, there are no potentially pathogenic bacteria tested
that this colloidal silver product has not killed":   
Dr R Leavitt, Professor of Molecular Biology & Microbiology,
Brigham Young University.



Here is a small youtube video about how it is that silver water kills harmful bacteria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm3b8Mb4x_w&feature=PlayList&p=8FCC48812CCF03C3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

and onother demonstrating how it kills viruses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acb1V2m_XJg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.advancedsilversolution.com%2F&feature=player_embedded

regards,

[zenmountain]

Hi all-

Just for clarification here, my minimum grade for silver is 99.99 % I wouldn't bother at all with anything less on account of the price, quality and availability.

Now on another matter, there is considerable misunderstandings about whether a colloidal silver water should be clear or yellow in color or possibly even some other colors. I'd like to say here that yellow colored batches have been used for years by many thousands of people who have by and large benefited from such use. However there are some that think yellow colored CS is absolutely essential when in reality this couldn't be further from the truth.
Yellow color means that there are particles in the solution big enough to reflect light. In making CS solution we are striving to make the smallest particles possible between .001 and .005 microns and even less. It's a well established fact nowadays that there are silver waters on the market that are extremely high in ppm and still remains absolutely clear and their effectiveness as a medicine is not in question.
There is a lot of info available on the internet these days about this subject. Here is a small bit from the folks over at silvergen.


“If the colloidal silver is properly made it will be crystal clear.  This is because the particles are too small to reflect any light.  If it shows any color, the particles are too large.  The first color seen is yellow.  As the particle size increases other colors such as red, green, blue, brown or black may be seen.  Any color seen will indicate CS that is not very good.


If the particles are as small as can be made and also colloidal, the water will be clear and will also show the Tyndall effect.  If they are larger, the water color will shift toward yellow because of agglomeration.  Still larger particles appear red; then green and the blue ones are the largest.   The proper color for colloidal silver water is clear.  If it is clear and has a weak Tyndall effect, the particle size is as small as can be made.  

The bottom line is this: Make sure your CS is clear, not yellow colored  and you will be getting the largest amount of individual silver particles per unit measure of water.  As an example, 1 milligram of silver dropped into 1 liter of water is equal to 1 part per million by definition.  If you could turn that 1 milligram into 1 million individual silver particles and disperse it in the water, the PPM is still 1.   However you now have many more individual pieces of silver in the water to attack bacteria and viruses.  If you could divide that 1 milligram of silver into so many pieces they barely reflected any light, then you would have the optimum amount of silver per unit measure of water.  Typically those particles are about .001 to .005 microns in diameter.  A micron is one millionth of a meter (or 26 millionths of an inch) so .001 microns is about 1/1000 of 1/1,000,000 of a meter.  Pretty small particles indeed.   If particle size increases beyond .001-.005 microns , the particles will begin to reflect light and the first color seen will be yellow.  That is called agglomeration.”