AC from Joule Thief Secondary/pick-up

[jeanna]

OK now, I will post the 2 tier.
Later I will change and fix it to more resemble the 3 lights drawing fig 183a,b,c.

For now, I just want to put this together for everybody on one page.
Please note all the different frequencies and voltages coming off the 2 secondaries of the main jt toroid.

The primary joule thief to the left has a basic jt light lighting and 2 secondary coils on the toroid.
One of them is lighting a few lights. I think I called it 1S2. Note the freq and volts.


The other main secondary coil goes to another breadboard, which is shown. On that breadboard are all those circuits that are being fed off that primary toroid from its larger secondary. Please note all the different frequencies and voltages here too.
These different circuits are using the inductance of 2 or 3 and sometimes 4 inductor coils.

On the breadboard, the second level toroid (on the right) is not a joule thief because it has no other jt parts. It is a multiply wound inductor. It has the bifilar wound and the pickup wound.

Depending on which wire is connected where, the volts and freq changes.
I believe this is the most efficient arrangement.

The resistor on the bjtc is 480ohms

Sorry for the ugly pic, I will do something about it, but not today.

jeanna

[nievesoliveras]

Lady

Here are 2 graphics that when viewed with the first one will maybe make your point clear.

Jesus

[nievesoliveras]

Lady @jeanna

I am confused with your two tiers drawing.
Is it this what you mean?

Jesus

[nueview]

I realy love what your doing noticed one main difference on the tesla picture ac is open spark gaps dc are all quenched spark gaps should make note of this as it tells something about the nature of electric fields.
Martin

[jeanna]

@jesus,
You are awesome. Thanks for the help.
I am confused by the 2 tier also.

When I came to the 2 drawings I posted here, along with Tesla's descriptions,
and realizing that the spark itself is not important in any way except to produce the switching ,
which collapses the field and makes the big bemf happen and frequently etc
I knew why I had been "shown" the 2 tier.
Remember, it was when it slipped from my fingers and landed exactly in one hole of the breadboard that all the lights got bright, that I saved the circuit.

I have been struggling to describe it ever since, but I think it is something like the 2 examples I have posted.

1- There is a regular joule thief with a basic joule thief light (bjtl)
2- There are 2 secondaries wound on the basic toroid
     2a- one of them lights up to 3 leds in series
     2b-one of them has many turns and feeds its AC volts into a breadboard, which I called the second tier.
3-There is a toroid on the second tier breadboard which is wound like a bjt with a secondary.It has a pirmary bifilar and a secondary of many turns. These are basically acting like inductors here.

This is because the current has a path through all the wires. There is no transformer effect happening in the second tier.

There can be. I have also been able to create a secondary transformer effect in addition to the basic light circuits I have shown here by winding more turns over the one already in use. (So, that would be 2 additional secondaries, one on the first tier with the basic joule thief and one on the second tier I just described.) But it is these induction circuits I want to look at. There is a current path that is different in each one of them.

There is something very interesting happening here, and I can only see some of it right now, and I know there is more, and hints to the "more" and how to achieve more separate powerful effects are given in the Tesla lectures. (I think, anyway.)

Right now, the total voltage is not as high as the single secondary wires.
But, sometimes the best way to find the missing piece in a jigsaw puzzle, is to move away and play with other parts of it.

thank you so much,

jeanna
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Hi Martin,
Thank you and welcome. I hope you are wanting to experiment with this.
I do not know what quenched spark gaps means, or its implications.

I am focusing on letting the joule thief transistor make the same effect as those sparks. In these examples Tesla says he was making use of the sparks only to create the pulses and he was  controlling the rate of pulsing, as he moved forward to his many conclusions using them for the switching device.

I am hoping many others who want to explore the ac effects made from this kind of thing will join in and experiment. And, if you would like to, please feel free to report your experiments with us.

BTW we are all different and all of us have slightly different goals and ways to approach these puzzles. I believe we all benefit when we share our ideas and experiments with each other.

thank you,

jeanna