Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

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TK
perhaps a few moments here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.510

The spot Stephan was talking about [coils and Don Smith easy stuff]

Perhaps a brief interlude [from church]
Chet
And your take on this

tank circuit video: resonance and harmonics
a great video on resonance and oscilloscope signals in a tank circuit
Make: Online : Short Circuit #2: Frequency multiplication with tank circuits

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/04/short_circuit_2_frequency_multiplic.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
it has girls in it

[TinselKoala]

I need to go to church, myself. I'll take a look later on. Thanks for the heads up.
I see that you are beginning to fall from grace--better watch out, the Free Speech Police might be sending you a warning soon...

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Free speech police
Yah mean the Church of peace love  light and show me the PATH to money Freedom of speech police??

Nahh

Chet

[jibbguy]

I don't believe in going around quoting, i personally think it's kinda lame for the most part in these cases. But peeps saw above that you accused Aaron of not being able to read a scope: They can come to their own conclusions what you meant there.

I gotta say, once the one bogus explanation is exploded, moving on to the next one like nothing happened will garner diminishing returns (just as it was 3 days ago with the last red herring, the "ground loop" stuff based on "Single Ended to Ground" input circuit oddities which were totally MOOT in this case; nearly as much as the "triggering" claims).

Although now i think we have gone through all possible obfuscations regarding the instrumentation (although i could be wrong about that, hehehe ).

I guess it's your bad luck you ran across someone who knows WTF they are talking about when it comes to test & measurement instrumentation. Those 18 years in the field, traveling all over the world to over 24 countries, visiting over 450 mostly high-profile Customers on-site (such as every NASA center, Edwards AFB, Fort Meade, several nuc power plants and plenty of coal-fired ones, a dozen other important military bases, N.I.H. in Bethesda, hundreds of major hospitals including Johns Hopkins and Mayo Clinic, and virtually every major University in the U.S. doing medical research and many doing physical science research as well)... Wasn't totally wasted time after all. That resume is not to brag: Just to show that if you make a claim about instrumentation, you had better have your ducks in a row next time... I used to feed my family on what i know about it. 

Sure the DMM is not accurate in reading transients it only proves SOMETHING OF INTEREST HAPPENED (...which i will remind peeps, was in denial for weeks in the above thread).

And i will say again (as i did several pages ago), the only accurate way of amplitude measurement in these cases is to capture them on a digital storage scope or data acquisition system with a proper high sample rate, and let either the on-board calc functions or PC-based analysis software do the averaging... These are pretty much infallible (i've done months of Beta Testing on these in the past and i know for fact they can be relied upon... They ARE the industry standard and multi-million dollar corporate decisions, or important medical Studies, are based on their results every day).

I would personally very much like to see us all move in this direction (digital storage and PC analysis): It will gain us credibility and professionalism that will utterly shut up critics, and allow our positive results to make it into the mainstream much faster. Of course the problem there is "cost"... They ain't cheap (even to rent). And the faster the max per-channel Sample Rate, the more expensive the devices get. You can get a "Dataq" 4 channel DAQ system, with analysis software thrown in for free, for about $300.. But what use is "280 samples per second" here?? NONE at all of course (well except for reading "Temp" which can be very slow). The per-channel Sample Rate should be at least 10 times the fastest F you want to record, for real accuracy. That would mean that we need to capture this with AT LEAST "2.4 Megasamples / sec" sample rate PER CHANNEL. 

As for Aaron's vid, he showed what he set out to do. And at the time, it was enough to totally refute the claims of "no oscillation"... Which are now sunk. 

If he couldn't get it to trigger at the higher time bases, it is because it is "astable" and not "STABLE", get it? It must be a REPEATABLE cycle at a measurable repeatable period for the scope's triggering circuit to work properly.

That is why a storage scope, PC-based scope, or PC-based Data Acquisition system with "sample & hold" (such as the Fluke 199) WILL show that signal in all it's glory via a "snap shot".  And that is important, as it really does need to be captured, measured, and analyzed... And of course it would be even better if an "FFT" could be done on it in PC-based analysis software so we could see the most common beat freq's verses amplitude (which could ultimately give us some important clues to making it more reproducible, and useful). THAT'S how it would be done in the "real world".   

But i believe that will come too eventually as the good folks out there reproduce this effect (...since they won't be listening to all the nay-saying anymore)

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I'm going to try one more time in this thread to see if I can make a difference. I'm not on either side, but I have a vested interest in freeing up one of the participants so he can focus on something else. If there is good response to this post, then maybe I'll try and move on to the next object of contention.

This is a 2-part question and there are potentially as many answers as there are builders. If there are a lot of proposals, we should attempt to reduce the list to a small number of accepable solutions that can best suit the diverse capabilities and resources of the experimentors involved.

1) What is the best means of measuring the total input and output energy to determine the ratio between them?

2) Will you provide a detailed step-by step test procedure document which also includes a list of all required equipment and materials required to complete the test, and sources for any equipment or materials most hobbiests are not likely to have in their garage?


Those of you having accounts on EnergeticForum, please ask them to participate in this exercise. Hopefully we can come to some sort of consensus on this part at least.