Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

[WilbyInebriated]

Joit:

Don't confuse a "Magnetmotor Sim" with a PSpice circuit sim.

A magnet motor sim on YouTube is typically somebody playing with a 3D CAD application to make something that "looks cool."

A PSpice sim is a numerical analysis technique that plugs in all of the differential equations that model how the components work in the real world.  The numbers are crunched and you get real-world results.

The typical 3D YouTube magnet motor sims are nonsense, and are just the expressions of the fantasies of people that dream about motors that run themselves.  The PSpice simulations are real, and the more precise you make your model, the better the simulation is.  The PSpice simulations that .99 has posted are all the real thing.  The only thing that he is omitting are the interconnect wire capacitances and inductances and related effects.  This is desireable, you don't necessarily want to see the effects of the wire interconnects, you just want to see how the components in the circuit interact.

Now you are a little bit wiser Joit.

MileHigh

they most certainly are NOT the real thing, they are the simulated thing, hence the word "simulation".

you can't make your model "precisely" like the actual real physical world. for one, you don't know all the parameters. second, your desktop pc has nowhere near the MIPS required to even come close to containing all the parameters even if they were all known, which they aren't.

there, now you are a little bit wiser. 

and it's desirable... wtf is with all you self proclaimed experts that can't effing spell?

[TinselKoala]

I just picked up a dozen more 555s and some caps, and I'll be building and testing the circuit from Aaron that Hoppy's using, later this evening if I can stay awake.

I appreciate MH's dual 555 suggestion. I used to use that setup long ago , or the 556 equivalent, when I didn't have a disposable FG to play with; then I discovered CMOS inverter / Schmitt trigger combos which will make nice fast risetime pulses; now of course if I need pulses I will use this DataPulse 101 pulse generator, 10 v output into 50 ohms, 5 ns risetime.
But isn't anybody paying attention to me?

Long ago when the inverted timer issue was first discussed here, one of the contributors (.99? groundloop? I don't recall, but thanks) showed how to put a 2n2222 transistor on the output of the Original Quantum Circuit, to flip the output. I did this long ago and it works just fine with minimal added distortion. All these other flailings by Aaron and Peter to come up with a circuit that makes the Ainlsie parameters is just silly. IMHO, of course.

Now, if distortions from the clock are necessary to make the OU effect (which nobody has yet seen) that's another story, and a rather disingenuous one at that--since it directly conflicts with the claims of Ainslie in the theory, the "patent" application, the two papers, and much of what she's said on multiple forum threads.

@Harvey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

That's the problem with "replication" attempts, isn't it.

I'm quite certain that no matter how closely I duplicated the original conditions under which Ainslie's data were taken, it would always be possible to explain my negative results away, and continue the infinite regress of hand-waving instead of hypothesis testing.
Allow me to point out, yet again, that I am concerned with examining specific claims about a specific circuit.
So far, here's a synopsis: There isn't any patent. The published circuit diagrams contain errors. The two extant reports of the same experimental and control runs contain inconsistencies. The principal investigator has declined to share original data, original calculations, original scope shots, reports from other labs and institutes, and so forth. From discussions with the principal investigator and others, it seems to me that it is likely that the calculations used to make the COP>17 claim are in gross error. They may be suffering from the same sort of foolishness as in Harvey's recent posts at energeticforum where he attempts to account for energy in an inductive ringdown using (rms power) times (time) as a measure of...what now? It sure isn't energy, even if it has the same units.
Continuing with the synopsis: In all regimes of frequency and duty cycles explored by me (3 percent to 97 percent ON, DC to about 2 MHz) using well-behaved clocks, either 555s or commercial equipment, taking power measurements as Ainslie specifies and taking time-temperature profiles of various loads, no hint of overunity or excess energy has been found. By me.
Using notso wellbehaved clocks or deliberate abuse, non-regular behaviour has been noted by me and by others. Unfortunately, the MOSFET does not generally survive long enough under these conditions to make any definitive long term energy measurements, but since input current generally goes way up during these episodes it is extremely unlikely that they are making any "free energy" either.

It appears that Ainslie has announced her departure, due to TK's monstrous "death of a thousand cuts" torture, slicing her work to little bitty shreds, finding fault and error in almost every single part of it that is examined closely. Perhaps it was her final confusion over the model of her oscilloscope that did the trick. No matter, some of her outrageous claims still have not been demolished and buried before her eyes, so research continues, until they are.

Or until they can be supported, of course.

However, we've seen these departures before, from others. They just can't seem to stay departed, so I'm sure we haven't heard the last from Ainslie.

Next (after these pesky random aperiodic Hartley resonant oscillations) I will be tackling the longterm heat flow and battery discharge (or lack of it) claims. This will take a little while though, as I'm still having chart recorder trouble.

[MileHigh]

Thanks for the spell check Wilby.  Spice has been around for decades and the calculus behind the modeling for capacitors and inductors has been around for what - 300+ years?  PSpice running on a modern PC has thousands of times more number crunching power at it's disposal as compared to a PDP11 or whatever computer was originally running Spice in the 1970s.  You are in my element here so why not back off?  I know you are itching for yet another pissing contest but I won't bite.  You may have a really creative comeback that might really hit home, I don't care - go piss somewhere else.

[TinselKoala]

Isn't it nice to have our own little TypoTroll?
In addition to the red underlines I get from my browser whenever I happen to use the British or Canadian English spellings of, for example, colour, cheque, or the one the troll especially likes, behaviour, we now will get them pointed out in the thread. To ignore, or to scoff at, or even perhaps to provoke with deliberate missspelings just to see it twitch.
Next it will be grammar and punctuation that the troll, objects to.

[MileHigh]

TK:

Long ago when the inverted timer issue was first discussed here, one of the contributors (.99? groundloop? I don't recall, but thanks) showed how to put a 2n2222 transistor on the output of the Original Quantum Circuit, to flip the output.

That was me, and I am glad it worked.  There are limitations there in that the transistor will pull the output active low and give you a low impedance output that should suck the excess charge off of the gate input quite readily.  Then when the transistor switches off, supposing you use a 100-ohm resistor between your Vcc and the transistor collector - hence you have a 100-ohm impedance source to charge up the gate capacitance again.  That's not too shabby, the pull-down impedance will be lower than the pull-up impedance, but still pretty good.

Somebody posted the app note for checking the MOSFET performance and their strategy was quite interesting.  The high signal from the signal source went through a diode to charge up the gate capacitance - hence low impedance, and the gate capacitance was pulled down by a 50-ohm resistor after the diode.  So the "suck down" was done by a 50-ohm resistor.  This of course also gives you an impedance match with the signal generator for the high output drive.

In my dual-555 treatise, I suggested using "line driver" CMOS inverters which I am pretty sure give you a symmetrical low impedance pull-up and pull-down for the best of both worlds.   You also have the option to add a resistor at the gate input to ground which might give you a little bit of "extra edge" (on your signal transitions). 

MileHigh