Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

[poynt99]

Poynt - not sure where you're going with this.  Are you suggesting that the measurements are out of line and should match the sim?  Or does the sim expose measurement errors - somehow?  Or are you simply trying to replicate the experiment on Spice.

All of the above.

I would be very interested to see if Spice could reproduce Fuzzy's #5 data - or close.  And thanks for the hard work Poynty.

If I can reproduce the effect in SPICE, I am very sure I can reproduce Glen's results in SPICE. In fact I am very sure I can reproduce Glen's results right now on the real test.

When you say "results" Rose, I am assuming you mean this:

A confirmation of the results from Glen's test #5. I crunched only Hour 2 for the 2us and 20us runs. All powers calculated (for a complete perspective), not just POS.

2_2us_520V-02_10_11_09.xlr

POS = -3.206W
PIL = 112.3W
PIM = -116.5W
PIS = 0.95W

Final resistor temperature = 135ºF

2_20us_520V-02_10_11_09.xlr

POS = -4.046W
PIL = 100.8W
PIM = -105.7W
PIS = 0.87W

Final resistor temperature = 136ºF

Again, I ask Glen, Harvey, and Rose to explain the 100W PIL when clearly the load resistor is not dissipating this much power

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If that is the case, then I have already reproduced the "results", just not to the same magnitude. If I move my test frequency up to the 500kHz range that Glen is working at, my results will be on the same order of magnitude as Glen's, as I already posted here:

Varying the grounding by length and position etc., alters the shunt wave form a great deal, and hence can have a huge effect on the power calculation, even though that spike only lasts for 150ns. Overall for the frequency (T=400us) I am using, that represents an average power over one cycle of about -1W.

In Glen's case at 500kHz, it is a completely different story. We go down from about 400us period to about a 2us period, yet the power spike is approximately the same width. In glen's case it represents about -100W over one cycle, and accounts for the highly skewed results once crunched in Excel.

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If Glen moved his test frequency down to the Ainslie frequency of 2.4kHz, he will see his "results" much more in line with mine. Either way it's an "effect", but not real power.

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[Rosemary Ainslie]

Hi Poynt  - I answered your post over at Energetic forum.  Just needed to make due record. 

[fuzzytomcat]

All of the above.

If I can reproduce the effect in SPICE, I am very sure I can reproduce Glen's results in SPICE. In fact I am very sure I can reproduce Glen's results right now on the real test.

When you say "results" Rose, I am assuming you mean this:
If that is the case, then I have already reproduced the "results", just not to the same magnitude. If I move my test frequency up to the 500kHz range that Glen is working at, my results will be on the same order of magnitude as Glen's, as I already posted here:

If Glen moved his test frequency down to the Ainslie frequency of 2.4kHz, he will see his "results" much more in line with mine. Either way it's an "effect", but not real power.

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Well pound in ten (10) 8'-0" ground rods six (6) feet apart .... attach a 3/0 cu wire to them and then attach the wire end to the Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Heater Circuit negative .... this will match the exact effect of the sim program your using. Then turn to page 911 in the manual ( not sure don't use this junk software stuff ) and then you can do the sim illustrated testing showing theres nothing there at all ....... just like you originally wanted and the sim program should verify your results ....

Of course I believe there is voltage there so I would never attempt such a thing ...... or modify the circuit to eliminate all the effects to match a "SIM" software program.

[WilbyInebriated]

Well pound in ten (10) 8'-0" ground rods six (6) feet apart .... attach a 3/0 cu wire to them and then attach the wire end to the Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Heater Circuit negative .... this will match the exact effect of the sim program your using. Then turn to page 911 in the manual ( not sure don't use this junk software stuff ) and then you can do the sim illustrated testing showing theres nothing there at all ....... just like you originally wanted and the sim program should verify your results ....

Of course I believe there is voltage there so I would never attempt such a thing ...... or modify the circuit to eliminate all the effects to match a "SIM" software program.

lol, that was gold. where did you get the picture of poynty?

[poynt99]

Poynt - I'm answering your last post here as I think we need due record.   Hope you don't mind.

Fuzzy's first 2 tests were the first that showed heat.  Thereafter, #3 he found that extraordinary 'moment' that also gave us the first evidence of something profoundly interesting.  Then #4 - which was slightly off the frequency and did not have that tell tale harmonic.  Then #5.  This was the first test that comprehensively recorded all relevant data including the video'd 2 minutes of each new hour - had evidence of the required harmonic - and showed, categorically that significant gains were evident.  The 2 minute video also provided some evidence of consistency in the waveform over that period.  This last point should be of interest.  But it is acknowledged that 2 minutes is not long enough to firmly establish the variable in the voltage range.

His heat profiling also indicates the evident wattage dissipated as heat during this test.

So.  If you need to replicate - test - whatever involvement you see required - then it is, indeed, the results of test 5 that need to be looked to.  I'm only concerned that this also requires a resistor with the wider diameter.  This is the more so as he could not get the same effect on standard shop bought resistors with the smaller diameter.  This I think was #6.

Are you up for this?  My personal preference would be to see a replication of this last test on Spice as it is likely that this test will be used for any paper that is written and the anomalies, if such they are, may be evidenced - better.  But it's your choice Poynty.  Take your pick.

Just noticed.  This is the 3000'th post.  You've got a mamoth task here Ash.

Rose, I can only assume you are interested in similar results. Does it matter which resistor is used if the same results can be obtained? I would think not.

So, I think I've done about all I can with the original test (which Glen is yet to do btw), and I can move on to the higher frequency/QAM testing. Since Glen is reluctant to perform the test as per the Quantum article frequency, I will move up to his. I'm confident I'll obtain similar results at 450kHz or so.

Again, it should be noted that at the present time all we are seeing is an effect. Thus far no one has been able to prove that the measured results are correct. However, I've proved that they are not.

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