Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

[Alena]

You need to really understand about why there is capacitor in flyback making LC resonant circuit connected in series with high voltage coil..

I'll be very grateful if you draw a schematic diagram of the inclusion

[aether22]

I'll be very grateful if you draw a schematic diagram of the inclusion

He is referring to C1 on the diagram he just gave you.
This is what wattsup thought was critical.


Seems you are right wattsup!

[stivep]

Thank You  Aidas from NYW group  for  pointing subject

I have start to dig into ion and ion properties in regards to TK secret.This is my typical weekly  portion of  material I study.



preamble:

Note:
In TK devices it is believed :
  there is first delivery of impulse and than action is by itself.
-using looping of energy from output to input
-coupling to - possibly some of external form of energy


This material is brought to weekly session of scientifically oriented group representing traditional  science but they are tolerating my very much nontraditional  acting in this area.
By their response I'm getting much closer in much faster time...

Subjects to discuss
what is an ion?
http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/propulsion/1-what-is-an-ion.html


http://tubedata.tubes.se/sheets/022/suppinfo/ETL-ElectronicTubeHandbook-i3.pdf
page 161a
Why spark gap need light?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster  Ion Thruster
-what is correlation between electrostatic ion trusting force and electromagnetic ion trusting force in coaxial cable?

types of ion thrusters
- Electrostatic ion thrusters use the Coulomb force and accelerate the ions in the direction of the electric field
-Electromagnetic ion thrusters use the Lorentz force[/font] to accelerate the ions.

                                                          Ion in coaxial cable?
                                                          O boy ...what Wesley got it from
                                                         there is no ions in coax or is it?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/40806243/Coaxial-Cable-With-Screening-Electrode-For-Use-As-An-Ionization-Chamber---Patent-5003177
                                                      Abstract
The invention relates to a coaxial cable for use as an ionization chamber
with an inner signal electrode (1) and an outer high-voltage electrode
(2), surrounding the latter, which are held at a distance from each other
by an insulator (3). The insulator (3) contains as an integral part a secreening
electrode (4) which prevents leakage currents from flowing from the
high-voltage electrode (2) to the signal electrode (1).

how electromagnetic wave  travels in coaxial wire?
(https://madisoncable.te.com/gif/AMPFIGUR.GIF)
https://madisoncable.te.com/RFCoaxialCables.asp
An electromagnetic wave traveling in a coaxial cable produces an
electric and a magnetic field between the inner conductor and the outer conductor
(Figure 1). The electric (E field) is radial and varies in time. An alternating
current flows along the inner conductor and the outer conductor.
An oscillating magnetic field (H field) circles the inner conductor.
Question: Please closer explain radial  nature of electric field in coaxial cable


                              some controversy about Ions and Ions movement.
what are the properties of ion?
when more than 10 000V is delivered to coaxial cable how ionization works in it.
what is the relation between electrostatics and ion?
what is a vector of ions in coaxial cable?
what is a speed of ions in coaxial cable?
How ions impact electromagnetic wave?
How electrostatics works in coaxial cable?
supporting literature:
http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/l98/PAPERS/MO4061.PDF


Radiant Energy Diatribe
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm


supporting material for that subject
What is electret?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret
or:
Electret ]A solid dielectric with a quasi-permanent electric moment.
Electrets may be classified as real-charge electrets and dipolar-charge electrets.
Real-charge electrets are dielectrics with charges of one polarity at or near one side of
the dielectric and charges of opposite polarity at or near the other side,
while dipolar-charge electrets are dielectrics with aligned dipolar charges.
Some dielectrics are capable of storing both real and dipolar charges.
An example of a charge arrangement of an electret metallized on one
surface is shown in the illustration.
(http://img.tfd.com/mgh/cee/Schematic-cross-section-of-an-electret-disk-metallized-on-one.jpg)


quote:
Static Electricity that  is generated on a properly treated insulated wire will produce more than
a kilowatt in a light wind, according to Paul Clint This becomes possible because of a phenomenon in physics known as the electret effect.
This effect occurs when the surface between a conductor and a dielectric obtains a
permanent electric field. This field has the same effect on static electricity that a magnetic
field has on iron filings
How can a small cable extract so much energy from little or no air currents?
The energy collected from the cable is not derived from charge collection as one might first think. It is derived from induction, as the positive ions in the air rush towards the cable.
Still, the wire hardly intersects any of the wind. How can a little wire collect so much?
The cross section of the wind from which power is collected is much larger than you might think. Remember that the electret effect creates an electric field, which attracts charged air molecules as a magnet attracts iron. The cross section of this field can be as great as 2 feet, so a 100-foot cable can intersect as much wind as a 16-foot diameter airfoil.

How does humidity affect cable operation?
Ham radio operators have reported that static charge builds up on their antennas more often
and more intensely in times of high humidity, rain, or snow. The technical literature reports that most atmospheric charge is carried by aerosol particles of dust or water that collect hundreds, thousands, and sometimes tens of thousands of units of charge. As they collect more and more charge, these particles migrate toward the earth's surface and constitute a major component of the fair weather current.
  Has anyone measured the ion density of the atmosphere?
Yes, the average is 3000 ions per cubic meter.
The figure is subject to stupendous variations of many orders of magnitude as shown by this quote from "Atmospheric Electricity in the Planetary Boundary Layer" by William A. Hoppel, R.V. Anderson and John C. Willet.

The ion density does not appear to provide enough charge to account for the current generated by the cable. Are there other sources of energy contributing to the current?
Both the electric field of the earth (typically 100-200 volts) and that of the cable produce an effect called the induction charging mechanism. This is a physical process for particle charging involving the collision of pairs of particles in an ambient electric field. Electric charge induced on particles surface by the ambient electric field is made available for transfer when the two particles come into contact. A subsequent differential particle motion that is influenced by gravity is postulated to result in large scale charge separation. The specific role of induction charging in the electrification of thunderclouds has not been resolved.


                                Capacitance of High-VoltageCoaxial Cable
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEUQFjAC&url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jmst.org%2FEN%2Farticle%2FdownloadArticleFile.do%3
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                      Ion Valve Technology   Explained
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/valve.htm
The ion valve converter (ion valve) shown here has an axial negatively charged tungsten cathode wire that extends the length its cylinder and is capable of emitting secondary negatively charged ions. The anode cylinder is positively charged and is made from a semiconductive material that will readily capture electrons.

http://www.nuenergy.org/images/gif/valve.gif

http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/miscon/eleca.html



All electric currents are flows of electrons. Wrong.
"Electricity" is made of electrons, not protons. Nope.
Electrons are a kind of energy particle. Wrong.
"Electricity" carries zero mass because electrons have little mass. No.
Positive charge is really just a loss of electrons. Wrong.
Positive charge cannot flow. Totally wrong.
To create "static" charge, we move the electrons. Not always.






1. All electric currents are flows of electrons? Wrong
Electric currents are not just flows of electrons, they are flows of any type of electric charge. Both protons and electrons possess exactly the same amount of 'electricity.' If either the protons or the electrons flow, that flow is an electric current. In salt water, in fluorescent bulbs, and in battery acid, atoms with extra protons can flow along, and this flow is a genuine electric current. And in fuel cell membranes and in solid ice, electric current is actually a flow of single protons (go and look up "proton conductor.") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_conductor


explanation:
Proton conductor   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_conductorFor practical applications, proton conductors are usually solid materials. Typical materials are polymers or ceramic. Typically the pores in practical materials are small such thatprotons dominate direct current and transport of bulk solvent is prevented. Ice is a proton conductor, albeit a relatively poor one.[2]Proton conduction was first suggested by Alfred Rene Jean Paul Ubbelohde (14 December 1907 - 7 January 1988) and S. E. Rogers.[3]When in the form of thin membranes, proton conductors are an essential part of small, inexpensive fuel cells. The polymer nafion is a typical proton conductor in fuel cells.High proton conductivity has been reported among alkaline-earth cerates and zirconate based perovskite materials such as acceptor doped SrCeO3, BaCeO3 and BaZrO3.[citation needed] Relatively high proton conductivity has also been found in rare-earth ortho-niobates and ortho-tantalates as well as rare-earth tungstates



2. "Electricity" is made of electrons, not protons? Nope.
Charges of "electricity" are carried both by electrons and protons. These two types of particles have very different weights (mass), but both have exactly the same amount of electric charge. Electrons are easily removed from atoms, while protons usually are stuck to other protons, but that doesn't affect the amount of charge they carry. If we remove an electron from an atom, that atom is left with too many protons, and that's the only reason why the atom has an excess of positive electric charge. Positive charge isn't a lack of electrons. *All* positive charges in objects and in circuits are created by protons


3. Electrons are a kind of energy particle? Wrong.
Electrons and protons are matter, not energy. A flow of electrons is NOT a flow of energy, it is a flow of matter and a flow of electric charge. Same goes for protons: moving protons are electric current, but they're also matter flow. And most important: if you have a certain amount of charge in one place, you'll have no clue about the amount of energy present. Charge is not energy. Coulombs are not Joules, and knowing the amount charge does not tell you the amount of energy you have. A moving electron does not carry energy along with it, any more than a moving air molecule carries a sound wave with it.


4. "Electricity" carries zero mass because electrons have little mass? No.[
Quantities of "Electricity" (meaning charge) have weight because charge is part of matter particles. A flow of charge always requires a flow of carrier particles, so electric current must always carry mass with it. Electric current in a wire is not a flow of energy, it is a flow of electrically charged matter. Ion currents in an electroplating bath are a flow of considerable amounts of matter: electric currents can transport material and deposit matter onto electrodes. However, in normal circuits we rarely notice the moving mass. There are two reasons for this: the flow is circular, so an electric current doesn't need to build up extra mass anywhere. Secondly, the flow is very very slow, so even if the current were moving an enormous amount of mass, we'd never notice this.

5. Positive charge is really just a loss of electrons? Wrong.
Positive charge is not made of "missing electrons." Positive charge is a genuine type of charge in its own right. Yes, when protons and electrons are near each other, their charges cancel. Removing the electronsexposes  the charge on the protons, and that's probably where this particular misconception originates. Since neutral atoms receive a positive imbalance of charge when their electrons are removed, is seemsn']like positive charge is nothing but missing electrons. But this is wrong. If you have a handful of protons, you have a handful of positive charge. A proton is not a missing electron. And if you have a vacuum (a total lack of electrons,) that doesn't mean that any positive charges are present.

6. Positive charge cannot flow? Totally wrong.
Electric currents in a metal wire are flows of electrons, but in many other materials both the positive and negative charges can flow. For example, when you get an electric shock, no electrons flow through your body. The electric current inside your tissues is made of positively charged atoms flowing one way and negatively charged atoms flowing the other. The same is true of electrical currents in salt water, in the ground, and in battery electrolyte. When your car battery is supplying 300 amps to the starter motor, 300A worth of ions is flowing through the battery acid, and approximately half of these are carrying positive charge. Also, plasmas can have positive ion currents as well as negative electron flows: examples are neon signs, fluorescent lights, camera flashes, and sparks of all kinds. There are even some conductors where the current is a flow of positive hydrogen ions, +H ions, otherwise known as protons. One common " proton conductor" is ice. Other proton-conductors are used as solid electrolytes in exotic batteries and, more recently, are found as proton-conductor solid electrolyte membranes in tiny fuel cells.


7. To create "static" charge, we transfer the electrons? Not always.
"Static" or imbalanced charges can be created by removing electrons from a neutral atom. They can also be created by adding or removing charged atoms from an object, and the ions being removed can be negative or positive ions. It is even possible to add or remove bare protons from some materials (after all, protons are the same as H+ positively charged hydrogen atoms.) If you have some positively-charged water, or ice, or acid, then you probably have too many bare protons (too many H+ ions.)


Entertainment for the crowd  of scientifically oriented group

When you turn on the lights in your home, the charges inside the wires wiggle back and forth and don't flow forwards, while the energy races along the wires at almost the speed of light. So ...does the "electricity" sit in one spot and vibrate? Or does "electricity" flow forwards rapidly? Do electric companies sell electricity, or do they merely pump it back and forth? Scientists of old would insist that the electricity stays with the electrons, and therefore the electricity vibrates within the wires without moving forward. Most modern textbooks disagree.



Final conclusion:
TK in all of his devices used plastic pipe (former) with thick wire inside
That is coaxial cable with dielectric ( air)
Please analyze ion formation and influence



Generator made of  coaxial cables only

http://www.google.pl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=blumlein%20generator&source=web&cd
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Wesley

[energia9]

at some point when capacitor connected to form lr tank in old flyback, i hear a loud noise at around 20 khz coming from the ferrite, but no sparking occurs,  the sparking occurs with one wire with capacitor is at around 10khz, and without capacitor it is 31.65khz

it detunes from the sound quickly and trying to find it again is difficult, it seems that the noise is at a very precise frequency,  is this ferro resonant freq?

[hartiberlin]

I got this message:

Stefan,

What they say in this video is of no consequence. There, they do not reveal how the device works.
Kapanadze generator is a modification of CZ 284 333, the three coil version. The modification consists of using pulsed HF generation (spark)  rather than the continuous wave as described in the patent. The spark is phase synchronized with the magnetic field modulation sine-wave (~50 Hz). The principle of operation is best seen in the pictures from Georgia, published by Wesley. Bare in mind that the fuel in this generator may be either Fe or Cu in the form of foil. I think, Kapanadze will reveal it sooner rather than later. Michel Meyer revealed it first in the Science et Vie article in March 1976.
You can assume the same, or very similar, for  Steven Mark devices.
If you wish, you can publish this information, omitting my name.

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Now I found the Patent file:

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19980812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=CZ&NR=9603387A3&KC=A3&ND=5


Nuclear magnetic resonance is stimulated in a generator by the action of a magnetic field and electric current on an Fe 56 ferrous core, whereupon part of the current gained through conversion to Fe 54, is returned to the core, while the remaining part of the current is drained out of the equipment, allowing disconnection of the source and a self-sustaining process until exhaustion of the Fe 56. The apparatus for performing this method is a generator with a core in the form of an Fe 56 bar (2), support construction (1), inductors (6, 7, 8, 9), input from the source (11), necessary circuits and output. The device is equipped with a circuit for transfer of part of the gained current back to the bar (2).;  The device can be advantageously arranged with current output from the bar (2) split into two parts, one conducted to a regulator (14) for turning off the source (11) and the other conducted to the apparatus output.

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Here is the attachment of the PDF file unfortunately in Cz language, but there are some pics at the end.