Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

[Kaduci]

Hi OU researchers !!

Here you can see a working versions of two TPU's by two realstranniks Inogda1 and Keb.

Inogda's TPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcD6cP9JQnY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHzei4PUW5I

The second vid is couple of years old !!

Keb's TPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjuo22t2V_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agKttaFpuxs

The 1'st page of TPU link on Russian forum Realstrannik.RU is
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/29-tpu/267-tpu.html

For any informations you can ask Inogda and Keb on forum!! You can use english !!

Little annotation: The light bulbs used in the both TPU's are 220 Volts,50 Hz, 150 Watts. Stiven Mark have been used 120 Volts, 60Hz light bulbs !!

The newest 3-rd vesion of TPU is Inogda's Chokes-TPU. Currently in developing, up to 160KWats from 4 masive chokes!!

ps. Thanks to Nikola Tesla, Stiven Mark and Otto Sablaric !!

ps1. @ALL OU researchers: "One input-two output port Avramenko's fork works perfectly well across diode polarised in direct on inverse direction. According to tests there are exist two components of  current.(cold and hot electricity).  If you have a time and equipment do some tests anf look yourself !! Thanks !!

[ronotte]

@wattsup,

I'm following your line of reasoning and mostly agree. Yes, I would order at least 2 units (I want one) just copy of original TBC110nA in order to allow us to see differences.
This night I've had an inspiration, I try to re assume it.

1 - There is lot of free space for the Hv coil so, why do not try to setup an a-la-Tesla solution?
2 -  I'm referring specially to L13 -16 layers and L12 - 4 layer
3 - Instead to wind that coils in the standard flat way and taking care of proper layer'sinsulation, use respectively 16 and 4 pancakes.Such pancakes could be first assembled separately outside the core, then staked one over the other interposing (between each pancake) simply a small Kapton's disk of  for example 0.4mm thickness that provide about 4-5KV isolation/pancake.
4 - once the pancake's stack  complete, just slide the whole assembled pack into the core: the game is over.

ADVANTAGES:
- much less interwinding capacitance that translates into more efficiency and higher operating frequency
- much less probability of interwire sparks
- the L12 could be built as a small 'movable' stack of 4 pancakes: that allows to vary the L12 - L13 coupling...very important to find the optimum point ...and maximize the trumpet wave
There's also a positive side effect because if the L13  higher resonating freq corresponds to an higher L11-C9 resonation (remember always 1/4 wave length), may be that C9 could be lower hence increasing the Q factor or even not needed at all

Note: about quarter wire wave lenght calculation you should not measure it conting the layers but rather phisically pre cutting calculated lenght of wire. It could lead to different numbers of layers. Remember also that is not so important to cut it at mils precision...even if you made it to cm precision is largely OK

Roberto

[Osiakosia]

@ronotte

Thanks for your comments.

1) Yes  I was thinking the same thing but then again, this would be a source of HV on those two wires that if just waiting on terminals will probably create sparking. The idea of HV coils is to make it in a way to eliminate any inter winding sparks so having those two wires coming out, even if not used would create potential points of spark. But again, yes, having those two outside would be good for more testing methods.

2) For the HV wire I would like to propose to use two sizes larger then the original TBC-110 since there will be far less winds and it would be more durable, but I will discuss this with the manufacturer and see if this adds to the complexity.

3) The drawing I just posted is just for the HV coil to show the hidden wires, and CW/CCW relations but I will give them full details for the primary/secondary coil as well as per the winds and wire AWG we already know about.

I will wait for any other comments until end of Saturday and prepare my final request format to the manufacturer on Sunday and hopefully this will be a reality soon enough.

I am also tempted to ask them to make the standard TBC-110 HV coil as well just in case.

The only real major problem with the HV coil design as proposed by @T-1000 is that if the 1/4 resonant calculation is done using Tesla method of wire length, then it seems to me that the 4 layers will never be 1/4 of the 16 layers since you will be using much more wire length in the 16 layers. It could be that 6-7 layers will be 1/4 the length of 16 layers and not 4 layers. So this is again a question that is unknown. Maybe the manufacturer can do a combination of turns and measure wire length when making the 4 layers, then just wind the second one with 4 times the wire length of the first wind.

Meanwhile, I am looking to order one of their standard HV flybacks that has only the Primary and HV because my flyback is making too much internal sparks now and I want something  to continue experimenting with. lol

wattsup

In oiginal TBC110 HV coils was used " Универсаль " wiring . ( In english I found Ing-Jang or Nets wiring ) . This
tipe of winding gets bigest inductance and lowest capasitance at the same lenght of wire . But I dont know does anybody
will made this type of wiring
Another way  if it is necessary to have capacitive connection between L12 and L13( Like T-1000 showed on diagram )  I doubt
that this method is good for us .
Regards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIOocMoRsYQ&feature=rec-fresh+div-r-8-HM
Please look how it are making .

[wattsup]

@wattsup,

I'm following your line of reasoning and mostly agree. Yes, I would order at least 2 units (I want one) just copy of original TBC110nA in order to allow us to see differences.
This night I've had an inspiration, I try to re assume it.

1 - There is lot of free space for the Hv coil so, why do not try to setup an a-la-Tesla solution?
2 -  I'm referring specially to L13 -16 layers and L12 - 4 layer
3 - Instead to wind that coils in the standard flat way and taking care of proper layer'sinsulation, use respectively 16 and 4 pancakes.Such pancakes could be first assembled separately outside the core, then staked one over the other interposing (between each pancake) simply a small Kapton's disk of  for example 0.4mm thickness that provide about 4-5KV isolation/pancake.
4 - once the pancake's stack  complete, just slide the whole assembled pack into the core: the game is over.

ADVANTAGES:
- much less interwinding capacitance that translates into more efficiency and higher operating frequency
- much less probability of interwire sparks
- the L12 could be built as a small 'movable' stack of 4 pancakes: that allows to vary the L12 - L13 coupling...very important to find the optimum point ...and maximize the trumpet wave
There's also a positive side effect because if the L13  higher resonating freq corresponds to an higher L11-C9 resonation (remember always 1/4 wave length), may be that C9 could be lower hence increasing the Q factor or even not needed at all

Note: about quarter wire wave lenght calculation you should not measure it conting the layers but rather phisically pre cutting calculated lenght of wire. It could lead to different numbers of layers. Remember also that is not so important to cut it at mils precision...even if you made it to cm precision is largely OK
Roberto

@ronotte

The problem when playing around with HV coils is that they are not the same as the coil winding method shown by @Osiakosia (with thanks) as in that video, they are making an antenna coil (or other usage) with Litz wire. Take the negative of your HV coil and bring it close to any other coil and what happens. The HV- will make a sparking flame just like the HV+ side will do as well. This is because the primary is run by AC (or simulated AC or Dual DC). Each side of the HV coil will inversely become + then - and so on. So my main question is what will happen to the loose wire inside a dual inverse wound HV coil? In normal condition, that internal HV wire should spark right away and burn itself through the coil unless if there is generated such a neutral condition at that point that will permit the internal wire to survive or unless the primary is only receiving a strict DC mono-directed pulse that does not permit any AC action in the HV coil, but then the two rectifying diodes at HV+ output will now longer be required.

In my build spec I put down two layers of dielectric, then place the wire ends, then put two more layers of dielectric on the wire ends, but, what f that is not enough. What if we need 5 or 10 layers of dielectric per each side of the open wires. When I mentioned the general idea to the manufacturer (Bob), he immediately said this will require some dielectric material depending on the required output design of the HV coil. That's why I put a note in the spec regarding the actual dielectric layers.

So maybe you are right to consider taking the two loose ends and bringing the out of the coil and just not used but securely placed to not be in contact with any spark potential. But then, what kind of adverse effect could this have on the intended flyback build and output effect, if the wires are not left inside the coil.

Then the only real alternative is to add enough dielectric layers to make sure no internal spark is possible, but this may cause the second HV coil wound over the first to be even further away from the core and what effect (adverse or not) will this have on the intended build?

So we start to realize there are some questions that need to be looked at. Of course, ultimately we will never know unless it is made and tested but at least we can all consider the variables in advance and take the best approach.

I for one agree that this open ended build method will have some very good effects if it can be made to survive the initial experimentation. I honestly feel the open ended approach leaves room for the ether to impress a unidirectional force in both sides of the two open wires.

On the 16L the open end is getting negative but on the 4L the open end is getting positive. So the energy leaves the 4L positive and leaves the 16L negative all while being fed additional energy via the ether. Those polarities will alternate or couse. Ya, ya, this sounds like voodoo talk for many but too bad.

I am wondering if it would not be better to try and make an enlarged version of the dual coil HV coil and try it first ourselves, before asking Bob to make some for us. Maybe we can get some better ideas that way first because I do not have endless chances to bother Bob each time we fail or need (costly) changes and more builds.

@T-1000

If you have any comments on the above, I would greatly appreciate it.

wattsup

[ronotte]

Hi wattsup,
I do not have like you a direct expertise on HV technology. For me this is the first time I'm dealing directly with such particular conditions. You are right, the danger is that everything keeps sparking. Incidentally that's exactly what happened with my Ventex neon sign generator (9-11KV output): evrything sparked ...several inches... all died. I suggest to leverage on Bob's direct expertize in order to find  a good practical solution for us...remembering that unloaded output could rise well over 20KV.
Our purpose nonetheless is to design something new sporting 'open ends', not to replicate existing TBCs. So, at the end it would be better to stay with your original design according to T-1000 suggestions.
From my side I'll look for suitable cores: if I find something good I'll build my own HV coil to determine the best approach.
Note: finally the siberian tube dealer gave me the shipment 'done'...it will take 2 weeks to get my tube & sockets for my autogenerator replication.
Roberto