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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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wasabi

Quote from: jbignes5 on October 15, 2012, 08:25:48 AM
And now yfree you will see that he didn't do anything. His math is telling him it is not so.
This is for the same reason why you won't build an antigravity machine out of bread, butter and a cat.

You have the knowledge and experience that tells you that it is a waste of your time and resources to experiment with that.
Other people have even more knowledge than you and won't attempt ridiculous experiments for the same reason.

It makes sense to experiment with new unknown phenomena - but not with bread and butter.
How can you blame somebody for already knowing how bread and butter interact together ? ...or how magnetostatic circuits work?

BTW: I have never read that this guy claimed that yfree's Magnetic Spool will not work.  He just noticed that the radial flux density gradient has a different direction.

yfree

Quote from: verpies on October 15, 2012, 05:29:07 AM
Simply, magnetic flux density B=Φ/A

Since the crossectional area of the outer cylinder (A2) is greater than the area of the inner cylinder (A1) then it follows that Φ/A2 < Φ/A1 and respectively B2<B1

The above reasoning assumes that the flux Φ supplied to the outer cylinder, by the central coaxial magnet, is the same as the flux supplied to the inner cylinder,
In fact the outer cylinder receives less flux because the path from the magnet to the outer cylinder (through the ferromagnetic material) is longer thus the reluctance of this path is higher and according to the Hopkinson Law Φ=MMF/R, the flux supplied to the outer cylinder is lower. (where the coaxial central magnet/coil is the source of MMF).
Note that all of the flux paths from the magnet to the outer cylinders are shared with the flux paths to the inner cylinders, but the flux paths to the outer cylinders are longer (more reluctance)

I am sorry, not so fast.
You are applying Hopkinson's law where it cannot be applied.
To describe the situation properly you have to go back to Maxwell's equations or use a modeling tool like FEMM or to measure it where it should be measured.
The magnetic field is strongly guided by the disks and tends to exit mostly at the disk perimeter. This creates the anomaly. Close to the disk surface, B, the component perpendicular to the disk surface in particular, is highest at the disk perimeter and diminishes towards the centre of the disk. Far away from the disk surface it is the other way round, but this is not of our interest. Here is a measured example.

verpies

Quote from: yfree on October 15, 2012, 10:24:50 AM
You are applying Hopkinson's law where it cannot be applied.
To describe the situation properly you have to go back to Maxwell's equations or use a modeling tool like FEMM or to measure it where it should be measured.
With static magnetic field Maxwell equations only tell us that magnetic flux forms closed loops that do not cross.
FEMM is good but it is only a 2D simulator.

The Hopkinson applied to infinitesmal cylinders and the gap between the disks is a good approximation.
Here are my experimental results (magnet's radius 10mm, and disks radii 80mm)

Zeitmaschine

Quote from: jbignes5 on October 15, 2012, 08:25:48 AM
This is what has kept us from looking and saying What is going on here. Very few experiment anymore. Very few confirm that what has been proposed is actually reality. Some just blindly believe and that is all the effort you will get from them.
I think the Kapanadze device (and this thread) needs more promotion. At least half of the world population should make TK experiments. Therefore design some red stickers ...

+++ Free Energy available +++ Look for the Kapanadze device +++ Figure out how it works +++ It's plain and simple +++

... and stick them on everywhere. Maybe a full-page advertisement in the New York Times will do also. :D 8)

Regards

forest

I think you are going too far. It must be much more simpler.