Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

[Grumage]

It is not a gain because both measurements pertain to the Input power.
If one measurement was about input and the other about output then it would be a gain.

Dear Verpies.

How can you explain why there is such a large discrepancy between the two figures? 1004 W into induction heater. 1666 W into HHO cell. Is the Tesla Bi filar coil living up to it's reputation.

Cheers Grum.

[verpies]

How can you explain why there is such a large discrepancy between the two figures?

Frequency response of the Watmeter vs. the Oscilloscope.
Apparently much of the power is drawn at high frequencies that the Wattmeter is unable to handle.

[Grumage]

Frequency response of the Watmeter vs. the Oscilloscope.
Apparently much of the power is drawn at high frequencies that the Wattmeter is unable to handle.

Dear Verpies,

I cannot agree with that at all. The front end of the induction heater will be a standard transformer running at basic line frequency, output rectified and then raised in frequency. Surely the watt meter cannot see any further than that?

Cheers Grum.

[Hoppy]

Yes, TK could sacrifice half of the magnetic field variations and the Bedini motor effect still would work.

Two coils supplied with 50Hz AC and connected in anti-parallel configuration, would create two time-alternating magnetic poles at the surface of the vertical aluminum plate of the pedestal, without the need for a trigger coil and pulses synchronized to the rotation of the disk.   Two of these time-alternating magnetic poles would produce a torque on the disk if the permanent magnet poles along its perimeter were also alternating NSNSNSNS.
The oversized coils inside the pedestals might vibrate the aluminum plates, creating the constant frequency saw-like noise. 

Maybe with this type of driving coil, no permanent magnets would be necessary at all and the brass disk could be propelled only by eddy currents, just like that disk in the old-style Electromechanical Induction Meter for monitoring electric energy usage.
What do you think?
It looks like 10cm to me.  That's a lot for efficient magnetic coupling.

Yes, although the classic monopole works with all like magnet poles facing the same way, its quite workable to alternate N/S/N/S... as you suggest. Would the two-coil arrangement you suggest working at fixed 50Hz actually accelerate the rotor?

A gap of 10cm is more than I guestimated but again not too much assuming that the power coil was built to suit and the rotor magnets were strong neo types. It takes surprisingly little magnetic field strength to accelerate the rotor once it gets started. The acceleration rate is a good indicator in respect to torque for this type of motor which is quite low, which is why a flywheel is often fitted.  There is no real control on the top speed of this type of motor in its basic form, so a wide gap and ali shielding will to some effect help to limit the max speed reached and especially the ali, which will introduce some braking effect / drag on the rotor. I have seen robustly built monopole motors literally mechanically disintegrate where tuning and build have been optimised for speed. The magnets have been thrown many yards from the rotor and embedded into walls! So don't be too concerned about gaping.

I'm not sure about a rotor without magnets but imagine that torque would be far too low.

[verpies]

I cannot agree with that at all. The front end of the induction heater will be a standard transformer running at basic line frequency, output rectified and then raised in frequency. Surely the watt meter cannot see any further than that?

I have an inductive cooker and it directly chops the 240VAC 50Hz supply into 40kHz AC amplitude modulated with 50Hz, using a full bridge MOSFET module without an intermediate 50Hz transformer and without rectification to DC.  The 40kHz harmonics are detectable at the input power cord.

Anyway, one or both of the power measuring methods must be wrong. 
They should have been connected in series to the same load and compared / calibrated.

HF power is very hard to measure.
Multiplying two quantization errors of two ADCs (for current & voltage) is enough to cause huge errors, especially if their ENOB is low or when the full dynamic range of the ADCs is not ensured by appropriate analog preamplification.