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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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Hoppy

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on October 30, 2013, 05:00:10 PM
Solar panel of the new generation. Receives not the visible light from the Sun but the Sun's invisible electric field. :P


Well there you go - sorted.  :)

ctbenergy

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on October 30, 2013, 05:00:10 PM
Solar panel of the new generation. Receives not the visible light from the Sun but the Sun's invisible electric field. :P

Actually I do not fully (if at all) understand the interaction between a high voltage source and the ground. The ground has a lot of free electrons. OK. A high voltage DC source (e.g. a charged capacitor) has a positive side and a negative side. OK. The negative side has a surplus of electrons and the positive side has a lack of electrons. OK. Connecting the positive side (plate) of the high voltage source to ground attracts therefore the electrons from ground, hence a current of electrons flows from ground into the positive side of the high voltage source and neutralizes it (discharges it, fills up the positive side with electrons until it is equal the negative side). But doesn't that mean that the electrons coming from ground now are all trapped in that (former) high voltage source? Because after the flow of electrons into that high voltage source the high voltage source stops being a high voltage source, so the electrons have no reason to flow back into the ground?

I think we should reconsider our conception of electric current, shouldn't we? Something must be fundamentally wrong with that conception, otherwise the page number here wouldn't be that high.

Don Smith Ambient Energy Generator  :)

Zeitmaschine

Quote from: ctbenergy on October 30, 2013, 06:39:27 PM
Don Smith Ambient Energy Generator  :)
Nice and strange.

Nice, because this is a 3-plate capacitor mentioned here in PJK - Chapter 9 - Passive Systems right after »Co-axial Cable Electrets«.

Strange, because in the Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices - Chapter 9 or in the pdf-full-version A Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices this subject is missing, as it seems. How can that be?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JxunfyhtFI

Looks somehow like a crystal radio, this schematic, doesn't it? :)

a.king21


baroutologos

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on October 30, 2013, 05:00:10 PM

Actually I do not fully (if at all) understand the interaction between a high voltage source and the ground. The ground has a lot of free electrons. OK. A high voltage DC source (e.g. a charged capacitor) has a positive side and a negative side. OK. The negative side has a surplus of electrons and the positive side has a lack of electrons. OK. Connecting the positive side (plate) of the high voltage source to ground attracts therefore the electrons from ground, hence a current of electrons flows from ground into the positive side of the high voltage source and neutralizes it (discharges it, fills up the positive side with electrons until it is equal the negative side). But doesn't that mean that the electrons coming from ground now are all trapped in that (former) high voltage source? Because after the flow of electrons into that high voltage source the high voltage source stops being a high voltage source, so the electrons have no reason to flow back into the ground?
...

I have thought that too long time ago. Actually, capacitors are not in one side "electron deprived" and the other "electron surplus". Or in other words capacitors are not electrostatically charged in relation to the ground or any other plane. Capacitors work by forcing an applied EMF polarization on the dielectric, leading to a current movement from - to + as electrons.
When we are saying capacitor is charged, we mean the dielectric is stressed (polarized) and asserts an EMF between its leads to return to its original position. Much like a spring-membrane inside a sphere, that is filled with a liquid. The important point is to understand that a common capacitor works by polarization rather "electrostati-city"

Easy experiment to do:
Charge a 100uf 400V cap, to 360volts (FWBR applied to 220v mains) Then with a ground wire or your body serving as a ground touch the positive charged lead with one lead of a NE2 neon bulb, holding the other NE2 lead. (you can use an electricians screw driver too) You see that even neon's breakdown voltage is around 90-100volts, it does not light at all. This is because no EMF is exerted on the neon, since it is not connected in anyway with the other lead (-).