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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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grizli

As i already said in my reply in post #8362,  page 558, my yoke also (ferro?) resonates at 5.7Mhz,
and not in the mentioned 1 - 2 Mhz range, so this is in line with your observations


QuoteAnother observation i make is that the resonance of the ferrite when measuring the 2 copper plates/strips/braid
is 5.785 Mhz in my case, so not in the 1 - 2 Mhz range mentioned.
I measured this with my scope and FG, the scope both in scope mode as well as in FTT (spectrum) mode.

Could be that my yoke from a recent computer monitor has different spec's, but when looking to the "spagep kontur.jpg"
scope shot in reply #8043 (page 537) i see a nice (resonance?) sine wave of 7.58Mhz when apparently driven by a
FG frequency of 1.660 Mhz (ramp wave).

To me this means that also here the ferrite resonance frequency is in the 5-7 Mhz range.

Again, looking at the above mentioned jpg, you can see this frequency on the scope shot:  7.58Mhz
So this means to me that also the Russian team is seeing a (ferro?) resonance of the yoke of 7.58 Mhz

For a solution for the 50 Hz input, you might want to take a look at the diagram in post #24 of this thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9781-tigers-device-0-150-1kwt-replicant.html

 
Rgds Itsu

baroutologos

Quote from: grizli on November 09, 2011, 05:16:58 PM
i justm ade some experiments and 50 hz is TOTALLY USELESS

its short circuit for such coil ,,.
and it is impossible to get waveform on the output coil like they got...

:) I have mentioned before, a signal generator with a p-p some 10 or 20volts output, being connected at that 15turns coil to any type of ferrite, without any other addition or effect will give at best milivolts p-p scope shots at its ends.

The very effect that a coil like this in 50 Hz (agree with verpie) can have a voltage rise (simulating resonance) as Aidas shown around 130Volts p-p, demands a new physics book on its own.

verpies

Quote from: 4q on November 10, 2011, 02:56:24 AM
@all: Let me put an important question: whether the ferrite core saturated by the HV impuse or not or just the operating point moved to the strongly nonlinear range on the BH curve?

Don't assume that the influence of the 1turn Transverse coil on the ferrite is conventional and only magnetic. 
The ferrite can also be responding to the E field developed between the parallel surfaces of the copper strips.
See the IEEE article by Konrad and Brudny on modulating the permability of ferrites with E-fields, that I had cited before.

Even if the effect is purely magnetic, it still can be unconventional because the Transverse Coil creates an H field vector that is perpendicular to the H field created by the 51turn Longitudinal Primary Coil.
Such orthogonal magnetic fields can cause the domains to rotate or even precess the ferrite's nuclei or align the electron spins, etc. 

In a conventionally AC pulsed toroid inductor a Longitudinal Coil magnetizes the ferrimagnetic core 1-dimensionally only along its circumference, thus the domains do not have the motivation to make a full 2D rotation and their movements resemble the back-and-forth rotary oscillation of clock's balance wheel. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ZHDzCWBdA

However the 90deg. out of phase orthogonal magnetic fields, can cause bulk 2D domain rotation and the simultaneous E-field between the parallel copper strips that is perpendicular to both of these magnetic fields can create complex unconventional 3D EM effects.

Anyway, all of the theorizing as to the origin of the effect is not the focus of this thread.
Let's replicate the device first without distracting ourselves with naming the possible internal effects and theorizing about "how it works".
We should concentrate on the practical tuning instructions and building it exactly as the inventors did.
After we replicate the device, we can theorize to our heart's content how it works.

verpies

Quote from: baroutologos on November 10, 2011, 05:55:14 AM
I have mentioned before, a signal generator with a p-p some 10 or 20volts output, being connected at that 15turns coil to any type of ferrite, without any other addition or effect will give at best millivolts p-p scope shots at its ends.

Yes, you did. I missed it somehow.

BTW: I have some Metglas toroidal cores that have 500mH with 15 turns, so at 50Hz the impedance is pretty high and appreciable voltage develops across such coils.  This is easily explained by Metglas' very high permeability (published around 1 000 000)

grizli

Quote from: itsu on November 10, 2011, 05:43:32 AM
grizli

As i already said in my reply in post #8362,  page 558, my yoke also (ferro?) resonates at 5.7Mhz,
and not in the mentioned 1 - 2 Mhz range, so this is in line with your observations


Again, looking at the above mentioned jpg, you can see this frequency on the scope shot:  7.58Mhz
So this means to me that also the Russian team is seeing a (ferro?) resonance of the yoke of 7.58 Mhz

For a solution for the 50 Hz input, you might want to take a look at the diagram in post #24 of this thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9781-tigers-device-0-150-1kwt-replicant.html

 
Rgds Itsu

Can you put signals from ferrite , so I can see how your resonance looks like?

do you use noise generator ?

How can I know if that signal is actually ferroresonance ?

I used resistor instead light bulb