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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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TEKTRON

Quote from: Hope on December 02, 2011, 12:45:39 AM
Can someone please translate that whole Russian spark gap bible to English and post it?  TY

the whole thing ??? NO
What pages?

baroutologos

Hello Wattup,

Sorry i did not respond earlier man.
One major difference running the flyback trasformer as a flyback (transistor on-off etc) and by a royer oscillator is that, in the first case, you can adjust the power level that goes in it, (by adjusting duty cycle, voltage etc) whereas in the royer case, it is not that easy, if the secondary output impedance is not controlled.

In other words, if the secondary HV output winding has not controlled impedance at a maximum (say 30 or 50 watts - depends on your flyback) then you will definetely burn it out due to heavy loading the secondary by a large amperage (since in this configuration, primary draws as much power it needs till the secondary will have = l voltage source x 4 p-p x primary - secondary windings ratio or just to heavily saturate the indductor.

...

For dealing with that problem, every Royer configuration should have a "blocking capacitor". If you go to my previous post about this topic and see the photo, i employ for this case a russian 150pf 16Kv heavy duty capacitor (not ceramic) of low losses. My inverter goes as much as 4 Kv p-p. Yours is going some 40 Kv p-p.

You can calculate what kind of blocking cap you should use. The smaller, the higher the frequency the inverter will run (since L2C2 will be the dominant tank circuit now), lowering idlling losses, but lessening power transfer to output in HV terms.
For a starting point you can expeiment with some 20 Kv 30-50 pf capacitors in series to output (of high quality). Weasly and his group, instead of using a blocking capacitor, rely on the capacitative coupling it offers the output circuit and the coils between them (since flyback cold wire is connected to one of them). If they can manage to hold some 20 Kv (apparently) its ok too. Note this 20 Kv blocking capacitor is irrelevant to the HV output caps that your spark gap will fire.

some info : http://ludens.cl/Electron/Fluolamp/fluolamp.html look at bottom

The Observer

Verpies,

Thankyou for your time here.
It is obvious that you are a sharp knowledgeable individual.
That is why I would appreciate an honest discussion of my concerns.

What are my concerns?...
                                  They are    1. Magnetic Permeability   and     2. Resonance.

   In this post I shall address

1. Magnetic Permeability... a number that reflects the Density and Intensity of magnetic dipoles in a substance (powered by free electron spin.)
                                             
                                                                       Formula for a Magnetic Field inside a Coil.

                                                            B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l    -->    B =   Î¼r * (μ0 * N * i) / l
                                                    - μ0, N, i and L are constants for any given coil with a constant current.
                                                   - μr is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.
                                                   - (99.9 % of all substances have a  μr ~ 1,      Ferros have a μr  ~ 500 to 1 Million)

                            * A Ferromagnetic Substance can Amplify the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 1,000,000 times... no extra current needed !

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So here are my questions for you, if you would be so kind to answer. (anyone else is welcome to jump in here also)

     1. When wrapping wire around a piece of ferrite, would it be wise to address the formula mentioned above when trying to understand what is happening ?

     2. Where does the extra magnetic field come from?

     3. Could one construct a speaker that does not use ferrite or a magnet?

         a. If so, then compare the energy it would need to produce the same sound from a similar ferrite/magnet constructed speaker?
         b. Given that the energy is different, why?

     4. In a conventional speaker, that has 3 exchangeable magnets of differing strength... Weak.. Medium.. and Strong,
         describe the intensity of sound from the same signal as you exchange the magnets.

         a. If different intensities... why?
         b. Where does the extra energy come from?

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Obviously, I feel these are important questions.
Thank you so much for any input you can offer. ;)

Best Regards,
                     The Observer

Kator01

Wattsup,

very good - no, not the fact that your secondaries were blown :-[ - the russian pages I mean.
It seems they often use EL-Type of tubes for a spark-gap( EL1 however ist strange, there is just one type which come close to it EL11 :
http://timosammlung.ti.funpic.de/web01/el11.html )

I once tested a flash tube and it is runnig like crazy - I tell you. I use a high voltage driver from a scanner which drives the cold-cathode-light.Start-HV about 1200 Volt ( 30 KHz ) which drops significantly when the tubes ignites

The problem with these tubes however is that they get very hot and burn off if you go to high in voltage.
I just mention this because one of the Russian uses this U-chaped flash-tube.

Good luck

Kator01
Quote from: wattsup on December 01, 2011, 10:51:37 PM
@Kator1

As you were posting I just put some juice on the secondary with my VM in series. DEAD. I have a second identical one and trying the same thing is ok.
But I think it will blow also if I use it again. Way to small. Time to get another one. So that's 3 FBTs burned. Now you can understand why I have been trying to reconcile the WNY Flyback versus others in the world.

Found this Russian pdf. Too bad it's not available in english. Looks like this book is the spark gap bible. Look at page 184.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=%22tbc-110%22%20%2Bflyback&source=web&cd=5&sqi=2&ved=0CGIQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fportal.tpu.ru%2FSHARED%2Fs%2FSHUSTOV%2FScientific_work%2Fbooks%2FBooks%2FShustov_2001.pdf&ei=TPnXTqL8MYzwggeNiJHrDg&usg=AFQjCNGmEBbbVP7tZ5afF1W_QpQrrPsR1w&cad=rja

I think I found a schematic located here;

http://msevm.com/md/610/lds/index.htm

Another mention here;

http://gad.flyback.org.ru/Shem_00.htm

Or, the sixth diagram here;

http://www.qrz.ru/schemes/contribute/constr/fluorescent-lamp/

HELP - HELP - HELP

Can anyone that knows Russian please go here and download this file and put it on the thread or send it to me at contact(at)purco.qc.ca. Thanks in advance. This may be a good information on the flyback. I can't figure out how to download and open it myself.

http://shara.many-momentsearch.ru/results.php?notds=1&query=%22tbc-110%22%20+transformer

wattsup

stivep


To Mr Kelly and to King
Please post my instruction to myself as informational ,educational material in the book
People that provided successful experiments are
Arunas Lithuanian from England
Aidas Lithuanian from Lithuania
Wesley from NY USA

The person who first  start to experiment with "Ferrite Yoke is
Tiger from Kazakhstan
Tiger  conformed our experiment as valid one.
Tiger has number of successful experiments done  in this area but he never explain it to the extend we did.
Tiger might of have English language problems But I did not get across his instructive videos before the date of our experiment .
Most of material of Tiger was presented in form black box.
none of his material was provided as step by step process.





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Quote from: Neo1 on December 01, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Hi Stivep, I have followed your work (and your team) I am attempting to replicate your TV Yoke device.
I have a back ground in electronics - specifically Radio communications test and development.
I have not been able to replicate you waveform show on your website "50Hz carrier wave
with 382KHz resonate wave inside".
I understand the 382KHz with be different in each replication.
I am using a low power mains transformer as a signal generator for the 50Hz into 15T coil,
and a standard signal generator for the high KHz frequency into the 50T coil, and I am monitoring
the output with a scope from the bifilar.

If it  was me than:

I should not concentrate on particular frequencies but on the process by itself.
This frequencies will not work for me as every ferrite  and  every winding will vary .
I have used  chain of steps to make it happened.


1.I have connected to 15 winds sweeping generator( does not matter  that could be 50 winds as well but 15 winds is easier)


2.on "U" shape I have connected spectrum analyzer ( computer driven is OK as well, model  is given on video)


3. I found specific pick on more than 1.MHz on spectrum analyzer It is visible - the highest amplitude.
lets call it F1


4. I than disconnected sweeping  generator at 15 winds and disconnected spectrum analyzer at "U"


5.I have connected exactly frequency of response at "U" that means ( frequency F1) from generator


6. Than I connected spectrum analyzer at 50 winds and was looking for biggest response But excluding  frequency F1.

7.Than when I found that frequency lets call it F2. (say 375kHz or so)...But even amplitude  no ringing signal!!!
I disconnected generator from "U"

8. I connected  generator tuned to F2 to 50 winds winding.(no big difference  I can connect it  first to 15 winds as well to see  response
but than  voltages on bifilar will be much higher sometime it helps)
If I use 15 winds instead 50 winds to find max response on bifilar I make sure that I have no ringing pattern at bifilar.
And Than I must reconnect  generator from 15 winds to 50 winds with the same frequency and vary this frequency to adjust tuning.



9. than I connect oscilloscope (or  small light bulb at first.) to bifilar winding (at oscilloscope  I should see no ringing on bifilar for that particular signal)
10.than I look at highest amplitude possible to achieve  still being sinusoidal and no ringing - at  bifilar winding
I was - careful HV may damage my equipment ( if the voltage is to high than  voltage divider  or right probe must be connected to oscilloscope)
I  was varying F2 left   right for the best results

11.Than I connect 50 Hz from another generator( this is  modulating frequency)and heaving still first  generator connected to 50 winds)

12.Than I vary 50Hz left /right for the best results.(In my case that was 47Hz)

13. I Connect the stronger light bulb and or light bulb if I have  had no light bulb connected before.. ( playing with smaller light bulb
from the beginning of my measurement at bifilar gives me advantage of heaving lower voltage at  bifilar.)

14. I re-tune F1 and F2 to the best light from light bulb. At this point I should have already 150W

15. I than  spark  from Flyback to "U" wind
15a. I need to keep in mind that by  applying spark from flyback (from old TV ) I induce much higher voltages
at 15 winds and 50 winds  so these generators  are in danger to be damaged. The generators need protective buffer !!!!!!

16 I should be able to get around 1 KW out of bifilar.By connecting stronger and stronger chain of light bulb I can check it out.

17. I should keep in mind that ferrite yoke from old TV may change  resonance frequency
at U shape winding with time and if I have had
only generator operating  to max of 2MHz than
I would not be able to  play with new frequency of response over that rane so  heaving
Generators that goes to more than that is critical.!!!!
!7a. I should keep in mind that It might be much higher frequency of response than 2 MHz at the beginning  of
as different ferrite has different material properties.
17b. I should keep in mind that it would be good to scan  ferrite yoke to say 50MHz or more to see what interesting might of  be there.

17c. I should keep in mind that not every ferrite may work as it is related to
ferrite material from yoke.I may try to cut in halves big ring ferrites and see if that effect
was related to material only or maybe to material SHAPE say Conical shape.


17d. I should keep in mind that strange  effects might of happened
including extreme, unknown and enormously strong   (but  suspected by me) EM field and NOT ONLY.!!!!
That might or might not affect my health. (never scientifically conformed)


I BLAME SHAPE THAT MEANS SPECIFIC GEOMETRY OF THE FERRITE  YOKE ( CONICAL SHAPE.- GRADUALLY BEND AND CIRCULARLY
PROGRESSING  :) ) FOR THE ADDITIONAL PHENOMENA IF ANY SHOULD  BE PRESENT  :)


This may lead also to something that is much bigger and much more important than OU I'm looking  for.
as a hint- "I found  few articles  and experiments ,standing about time being affected )
From scientific  approach i have never tried nor conformed nor tend to believe in that :) he he he :)
You know what I really think,

!7e.I should keep in mind that application for additional phenomena if any might  lead me to unpredictable application including weaponry.
17f.I should keep in mind that application for additional phenomena  should be at peaceful nature and that my work is directed to  benefit of humanity ONLY!!!!!!!! 

17g. Please keep in mind that thin paper divider should be present  to interrupt magnetic flux between two halves of ferrite  from TV deflection yoke

This is my most complex instruction to myself ever made.



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