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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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itsu


QuoteItsu, can your scope multiply Ch1 by Ch2 ?
...better yet, can it average out the result of this multiplication: Avg(Ch1 * Ch2) ?

@ verpies,  thanks.

My scope only shows the multiply ch1*ch2 as a graph,  no figures.
When i did that, it was out of view mostly, and adjusting the ch1 / ch2 setting only improved it a little.

I will change the CH1 / CH2 setting to "mean" to see if the ch1*ch2 improves further and show a screenshot.
My guesstimate is that it consumes about 12 Watt now.

Also i will use a low pass filter in trying to use my multimeter's as not everybody has a scope.
(and use better quality leads instead of the crappy crocodile clips i now use :-)  )

Regards Itsu

a.king21

Apologies if anyone has posted this info before, but here is DELAMORTO's site.


http://www.freeenergylt.narod2.ru/delamorto/


He seems on the level.

verpies

Quote from: itsu on December 12, 2011, 04:22:45 AM
I will change the CH1 / CH2 setting to "mean" to see if the ch1*ch2 improves further and show a screenshot.

DANGER Mr.Robinson DANGER:
Mean(Ch1) * Mean(Ch2)  <>  Mean(Ch1 * Ch2)

semenihin-77

10000mf cool and the LED pulse discharges, probably will blink a couple of days!
All it's time to sell via e-buy my Kacher, and collect CE LED! ;D

verpies

Quote from: itsu on December 12, 2011, 04:22:45 AM
My scope only shows the multiply ch1*ch2 as a graph,  no figures.
When i did that, it was out of view mostly, and adjusting the ch1 / ch2 setting only improved it a little.

Maybe you scope is a little dumb and multiplies the vertical offsets of Ch1 and Ch2.
I write "dumb" because the vertical offset on the scope's screen is not the same as DC offset of the signal.
The former is a graphical property of the scopes's display and the latter is the property of the measured signal.

If so, then zeroing-out of vertical offsets will get rid of their artifacts, producing a clean Ch1 * Ch2 oscillogram.

We do not want to multiply the artificial vertical offsets of the scope but we do want to multiply the real DC offsets of the signals.

Anyway, even a graph of Ch1 * Ch2 says more about the input power than measuring it with a voltmeter and an ammeter, because Mean(Voltage) * Mean (Current) does not equal Power, but Mean(Voltage*Current) does.

If your scope cannot do Mean(Ch1 * Ch2) then the raw graph of Ch1 * Ch2 still can be averaged out with a manual graphical method.

I will gladly do it if you post high resolution scopeshot of Ch1 * Ch2 (with scope's vertical offsets well zeroed out)