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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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exnihiloest

Quote from: forest on February 12, 2011, 12:27:12 PM
Crazy theory :

electric  standing wave = electron in quantum wave state
electric stationary wave = electron in quantum wave packet running as a particle in boundary of potential difference (power source)

To proof : someone should prepare experiment with mixing in time harmonics of electric standing wave as proposed in previously posted video and check for secondary beta emission (multipactor action)

Another theory : magnetic domain is area of running standing wave - electron(s) in quantum state
To get energy from it is impossible without stationary wave .
VTA,TPU,SR device


Sorry,I'm crazy  ;D

What do you mean by "quantum state"? Each particule is always in a "quantum state".
Do you mean a single quantum state for many electrons acting as one particule (like in a squid in a superconducting state)? This has not yet been observed at ambiant temperature.


core

Quote from: LtBolo on February 12, 2011, 11:55:46 AM
...If an electron emits a photon when decelerating, it stands to reason that it absorbed one while accelerating.

I think I'm misunderstanding you. Why would you want to accelerate something when everything around you is already accelerated? Would it make sense to skip the accelerating part and go right into the decelerating part? In a refrigeration system the evaporator (energy absorber) is placed into a lower energy state to absorb the higher ambient. I guess you can say it's a 'decelerator'. A compressor is not always needed in a refrigeration system. On those types of systems it just keeps the process going.

Good discussion though.

Respectfully,

Core

LtBolo

Quote from: exnihiloest on February 12, 2011, 01:05:19 PM
Accelerating and decelerating electrons are completely different things than heat transfers...

But that's where we differ. I don't see a heat pump as being a thermodynamic event, even though it deals with heat energy. The key to moving more energy using less is in the state change, which I see as a quantum event, not a thermodynamic event. Heat happens to be the focus of our interest, but the energy transfer isn't so much about heat.

Take sonocavitation and associated sonoluminescence. Is that a thermodynamic event? I'm sure some would say yes, largely because they don't like the implications otherwise, but personally I think it isn't strictly so. More to the point, when we mechanically force a phase change rapidly against the normal order, the energy required gets drawn from somewhere, and when it collapses, the energy is released. A more mainstream view would suggest that for cavitation to occur, there is a spontaneous removal of heat in the area immediately surrounding the bubble. Perhaps, but I suggest that even more has been drawn than can be accounted for. When the bubble collapses, we get photon emissions...sonoluminescence...as the previously absorbed energy is returned faster than heat transfer can accommodate.

Phase change may be related to heat, but it is still about energy levels, which is ultimately about electrons. Since we know that changing phase and decelerating electrons can both emit photons, I think the two events are more closely linked than you suggest.

Lastly, having played with energetic spark discharges that are capacitively sourced and those that are inductively sourced, there is no comparison in the action of those free electrons in the gap. I can easily account for those differences in terms of electron energy levels...which in my thinking amounts to phase change in free electrons. I don't pretend to believe that mainstream science has a bit of math to describe this, but I'm increasingly convinced that this is a path to FE.


LtBolo

Quote from: core on February 12, 2011, 02:22:36 PM
I think I'm misunderstanding you. Why would you want to accelerate something when everything around you is already accelerated?

At low ambient pressure, the default state of the refrigerant is gas. We compress it to force the phase change to extract the heat, and then allow it to return to ambient pressure and reabsorb what it gave up during compression. At high ambient pressure we have to do it in reverse, and there we call it cavitation. The key is in understanding what your ambient state is, and where the phase change occurs.

What is the default state of an electron, and what is the equivalent phase change that will pump energy? Electrons are highly energetic, relatively speaking, but I don't see them doing anything interesting in energy terms until we move them. Electron drift velocities are generally glacial, and only in Tesla type devices do we see them moving quickly at all. That points to the ambient state of electric charge being more 'liquid', and that we have to mechanically create the gas state through acceleration/decompression, and then harness the energy as it decelerates/compresses back to the 'liquid' state. I think that 'liquid' and 'gas' are overly simplistic, however, and that electrons are capable of many such 'phase changes' and energy levels.


ramset

LtBolo
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Take sonocavitation and associated sonoluminescence. Is that a thermodynamic event? I'm sure some would say yes, largely because they don't like the implications otherwise, but personally I think it isn't strictly so. More to the point, when we mechanically force a phase change rapidly against the normal order, the energy required gets drawn from somewhere, and when it collapses, the energy is released. A more mainstream view would suggest that for cavitation to occur, there is a spontaneous removal of heat in the area immediately surrounding the bubble. Perhaps, but I suggest that even more has been drawn than can be accounted for. When the bubble collapses, we get photon emissions...sonoluminescence...as the previously absorbed energy is returned faster than heat transfer can accommodate.
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