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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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starcruiser

http://www.antenna-theory.com/tutorial/txline/transmission6.php

related to current thoughts on standing waves, a good starting point for the required math and transmission line theory. Wasn't Tariel working in power (power company or something similar)? This would be right up his alley then wouldn't it?

SO his solution is to choose a length of coax, short it at one end and pulse with appropriate width sq waves that will setup a standing wave and then use that field to supplement the lower frequency one on the adjacent coil. the only problem I see is that nano second pulses place the frequency of the generator at 40 to 200 mhz, this depends on full wave vs qtr wave. I am sure we can use a feedback signal to trigger the pulser to maintain resonance (timing).


So I am seeing this using the following

AC inverter - used to provide DC voltage (300 to 400vdc) via rectifier and capacitor. We need high energy pulses to generate the standing wave field

Simple kacher type transistor circuit using feedback to trigger pulsing (syncronized)? I am thinking this can be simple like the Kacher circuit using the ground to trigger the transistor, would be another small coil too.

Coil construction as I see it

Resonant tank (LC) inner layer, tuned to work with transmission line frequency
Inductor wind for inducing 60hz AC as the carrier frequency
COAX transmission line length chosen to work with drive frequency
Output coil (in line with hot side of AC inverter?)
feedback coil for pulser source

Just some of my thoughts on this, going to play with this soon as well.
Regards,

Carl

Hoppy

Quote from: itsu on September 14, 2012, 10:06:06 AM

Thanks for the encouragement T, but as i already was experimenting with coax cable coils, i already was intriged by this selfrunner.

I have a hard time understanding the Russian drawings/text etc, but slowly more info is coming in English.

My first attention is to the main coil, and i came up with the following info (all CW):

L1 = 820t 0.25mm on 4.6cm former (white/orange leads)
L2 = 315t 0.65mm on top of L1     (magnet wire leads to caps)
L3 =  41t 5.9m Coax cable        (probably NOT RG58 as to my knowledge RG58 is always black coated)
L4 =  72t                        (combination of brown and blue cable) not sure what thickness.


I started building my coil and use:

cardboard former 5cm:
L1 690t 0.4mm  3.3mH / 14.5 ohm
L2 380t 0.6mm  1.5mH /  0.5 ohm
L3  41t (6m) 75 ohm coax shorted at 1 end
L4  i will use 70t of some kind of wire i have laying around.

Questions for me presently are:

How to create this 1-5ns pulse (my FG generates a 80ns pulse at best)
What is the amplitude of this nano pulse (5v?, 500v?, 5Kv?)
What is the frequency/amplitude and pulse shape on the L1 coil (match the resonance frequency of L2 tank coil?)?

Video to be seen here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUciCy9p3A&feature=youtu.be
I will try to get more to the point in the video's, thus shorther, in the follow ups if any.

Next will be to make some measurements on the coil when pulsed.

Regards Itsu

Great start Itsu. I agree with you about the co-ax but its worth waiting to see if any further comments are made about this before finishing coils. Do you or others have any ideas about the nature of the toroid transformer? The schematic indicates a ferrite core but I'm thinking that this is an iron cored toroid transformer with a 12V secondary and two 120V primaries working in a normal reverse inverter configuration.

I too was baffled by the blue wire coil on the RHS end of the coil former. Looking at the end of the former in photo DALY 08, it appears that its not just a straightforward single coil wind as there can be seen two sharp bends in two of the coil strands and possibly two layers of wire?

This certainly seems a much better experimental project to spend time on and learn something, than continuing to concentrate on trying to work out how TK's Aqua2 device is constructed and powered.

Hoppy


jbignes5

Quote from: frantz on September 14, 2012, 10:14:25 AM

Great description jbibnes5,  8)
I feel it but don't see yet.


In my understanding we should use:
1. HV on stator coils with good insulator
2. we can recalculate coils with large number of turns - we will have large amount of Magnetic field (from many turns) and electrostatic field (from HV power supply)


Ok what about frequency (50 to 400Hz) it will be correct? And on there should be AC current or pulsed DC?
could you draw some picture?


Regards
frantz


The picture is in the link I provided. The unit that Tesla designed has High voltage on the external field coils only. This outer field coil is his special transformer that is pictured in this patent as well:


[size=78%]http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-381,970-electrical-distribution[/size]


If you start with the voltage from the exciter from patent 1 I showed and it goes through both solenoid coils on the second patent it will raise itself to a very high voltage. All of the magnetic component is kept inside the iron in the core so there is little magnetic field outside of that core. Only the electric field is allowed to be free inside of the circular coil. This is the field that is responsible for pumping the current in the heavier rotor core. Any magnetic field from that generation will of course try to enter the field core and cut the windings of the field coils generating more voltage and hence more electric field. But as the rotor is cut by the electric field it causes a massive movement of current in the rotor wires and could be used to power a motor attached to the rotor becoming a prime mover for the unit. This is shown in the first patent but as a separate unit. It doesn't have to be separate at all. In fact this whole patent can and should be integrated into one unit.
You have the exciter(small generator), field core and rotor unit (big generator) and the prime mover all on the same shaft. setup to turn in the opposite direction that the field coils are designed to move in(rotating field). This gives you better results from slower speeds. But you might have to raise the voltage going from the exciter to field coils via a small transformer.


The field coils in my opinion are done the way they are because of the phase angle of the magnetic field. This was our mistake. It is made that way for a reason. Because the electric field and maghnetic fields work on different angles. They are never the same angles. In our modern motors and generators they were designed with the magnetic field angle which results in massive losses and huge resistance to movement. In Tesla's generator there is little loss because of higher voltages and the magnetic field is bound to a circular ring. Since the electric field is not bound by the iron it plays freely with the iron and copper rotor. In the case of Tesla's original patent #1 I showed he had to check or Stop the rotor of the generator to get it to generate. In my version the motor does that all by itself and turnsd the rotor in the opposite direction to the revolving electric field via the prime mover.


This is the design I'm going with. I have about 3/4 of the stuff I need and only need a few things more to complete the parts list. Since I am heading twords disabled condition it is getting hard for me to be able to work on the rest of it. So it is taking me way longer then I expected to complete the unit but I am still working on it.


Remember if this energy is static then we are doing this in futility and hence why others have failed at this because they are not trying to design it in a dynamic way. It must be dynamic and it must be to our advantage using common techniques to gain that advantage. A motor/generator is extremely advantageous to our way of life. We need both energy and motive power and this does both. This is what powered his roadster, not some remote power station. He abolished that idea when they destroyed his life because they could not meter it. This was proven by Tesla in 1932 I believe in his experiment with the roadster.

frantz

Quote from: jbignes5 on September 14, 2012, 11:42:01 AM

The picture is in the link I provided. The unit that Tesla designed has High voltage on the external field coils only. This outer field coil is his special transformer that is pictured in this patent as well:




Well, jbignes5,
You are great! In fact, we still had and we have ready solution inside Tesla patents!
Main question is how high should be HV? 1kV or 30kV or how much? We must remember about balance between electrostatic field and magnetic field. If we want to create rotating magnetic field inside circular ring of generator we must to have some minimal current inside stator coils.


One thing is certain for me: stator windings (on the circular ring) should be build from many turns and from thin wire with good insulating between layers (but what about internal resistance of winding??? we should to find some balance).


jbignes5, how do you thing, in my opinion circular ring transformer in fact is stepdown transformer. If yes, rotor should have HV coils too. What about heavy current in rotor? There we have both? Heavy current and HV?
Regards
frantz

jbignes5



No, in fact you want heavy current coils in the rotor. There is two reasons for that. One is that it creates a magnetic field to cut the field coils around the rotor and the second reason is most of our current devices run on heavy current. The transformer action is between the high voltage field coils and the heavy current coils of the rotor. You are right it steps down the high voltage in that action. But the electric field of the field coils is textured. What I mean is it acts like it has many many poles from the coils that are wound around the field core. The magnetic field gets sucked up by the core and stays inside of that core if it is made thick enough.


My cores, I say cores because I had to split the circular ring into two halves, has soft iron bent into two half circles and when they are together will make a toroid. I'm thinking I'll make the motor/generator in a clam shell like design and the cores once energized will hold themselves together like a PMH (permanent magnetic holder) from Ed Leedskalnin fame.


The high voltage will have to be worked out still because the exciter will only be able to put out so much current to convert to high voltage. I'm sure it will need to be in the range of 2k-15k volts depending on the current needed to be generated in the rotor. But from what I am understanding of the process Tesla could get any amount of voltage out of his disruptive discharge circuit and that is what will have to be in between the exciter and field coils.


  You say there has to be a balance between the magnetic and electric field but I say when dealing with the electric field there is very little magnetic field at play. This is why it can go huge distances without losses. This is why the electric companies use transformers in their current system. They are only there to get rid of the magnetic field and it's huge losses and convert it to the electric field which has little losses unless something is there to strip off some of the field.