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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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Zeitmaschine

To whom that needs a wee bit more brainstorming. Since it seems that something located in TK's tin can is able to generate (a lot of) electric current (lacking any other explanation), these are the electric components which can generate usually (a lot of) electric current:

a) Charged accumulator or battery, Wikipedia
b) Illuminated photovoltaic cell, Wikipedia
c) Running Van de Graaff generator, Wikipedia
d) Bent piezo crystal, Wikipedia
e) Rotating alternator, Wikipedia
f) Powered transformer, Wikipedia
g) Charged capacitor, Wikipedia

Hence the question: Which one of these items could be suitable to generate the TK device high current output?

The first one (a) is chemical energy. I don't think TK has chemicals (in shape of a battery) in the tin can to power the lamps. Second (b) can't be because there is no light in the tin can (neither is it in the green box). Third (c) generates current but at high voltage and needs mechanical input, therefore it is not suitable to power directly some incandescent light bulbs. Fourth (d) is a very difficult to handle material hence impractical for the basement hobby room. Fifth (e) can't be because of the high mechanical input work that is required. Sixth (f) does not fit into the tin can due to the heavy iron core which is necessary in order to work with 50Hz. Therefore (g) would be the best choice so far, since a (charged) capacitor can provide a lot of current whilst it is relatively small in size, it does not need any light or chemicals nor any mechanical input in order to work and its material is easy to handle in addition.

OK, on this basis now some wild speculations without any substance leading to nothing: What was Kapanadze experimenting with when he discovered his OU effect? The chances are great that he was experimenting with high voltage and spark gaps. But electric sparks have one nasty characteristic, they produce a lot of radio frequency interference (RFI). Hence Kapanadze could have come up with the idea to use special filter capacitors (see image below) to filter out these interferences. One common feature of these capacitors is they are connected in Y shape and the foot of this Y is usually connected to ground. I see!

Normally the grounding of the Y is used for dumping the interference frequencies into the ground. But what could happen if such a capacitor is connected to a transformer (maybe with two secondary coils) in an somewhat unusual way, so it suddenly starts drawing current from the ground instead of dumping it there? I see! This sounds all quite logical and makes perfect sense!

So now someone please make quick experiments with XY caps and then tell me that it works. :( :( :(

verpies

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on September 25, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
a) Charged accumulator or battery, Wikipedia
b) Illuminated photovoltaic cell, Wikipedia
c) Running Van de Graaff generator, Wikipedia
d) Bent piezo crystal, Wikipedia
e) Rotating alternator, Wikipedia
f) Powered transformer, Wikipedia
g) Charged capacitor, Wikipedia

Hence the question: Which one of these items could be suitable to generate the TK device high current output?
Items a, e, f, g could provide high current.
None of the above could provide the energy density in the available space (or mass) stipulated in the Aq2 video.

Capacitors can provide high current density but not high energy density. Current is not energy (voltage neither).

The only conventional explanation of Aq2 video is external energy delivery. Other explanations are unconventional (does not mean "wrong" or "impossible").

Also, there is a huge difference between answers to the following questions about the methods suitable for TK's outputs:
1) Which method is suitable for generating high current in TK devices?
2) Which method is suitable for generating a lot of energy in TK devices?
3) Which method is  suitable for converting sth to high current in TK devices?
4) Which method is  suitable for converting sth to a lot of energy in TK devices?
5) Which method is  suitable for storing and releasing high current in TK devices?
6) Which method is  suitable for storing and releasing a lot of energy  in TK devices?

For example methods/items e & f could never become answers to questions 5 & 6 because those methods rely on conversion, not storage.
Another example: external delivery could be the answer to questions 3 & 4.
Also, sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between generating and converting. For example compare betavoltaics.

So which question did you mean to ask?

Zeitmaschine

Quote from: verpies on September 26, 2012, 02:55:49 AM
Also, sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between generating and converting.

If the law of conservation of energy has still any meaning then generating of energy should not be possible at all. Thus it is always about converting not generating of energy.

Quote from: verpies on September 26, 2012, 02:55:49 AM
So which question did you mean to ask?

Question #1: Do we need new laws of physics because of the energy density observed in the Aq2 video?

Question #2: Which electric component mentioned above is suitable to take care of the energy delivery to the TK device?

Given the dimensions of the tin can and the visible connections it should be something that can be figured out.

Regards

bass

I apologize for any bad english.
Thanks wattsup
In terms of resonance. Maybe I'm wrong, there is a transformer inside the can (it was written before on your forum). That would create a serial 50Hz resonant circuit with a capacitor connected in series to L1.
Because TK is a magician, with this condition Heat Sinked Components have  no sense.
From this point of view (again, maybe I'm wrong), a diode bridge removes high  resonance voltage from capacitor and from the output of the diode bridge we get (theoretically) pulsed DC voltage with a frequency of two times more than the inverter.
Then the scheme might look like this
â,,–13- capacitor (not electrolytic)


wattsup

@bass

Wow, I see post no. 1, so welcome to OU.

The capacitor you show it a very good candidate since it has the wire coming out directly without terminals that we cannot see as well in the video. I would also agree that the cap is parallel to the bridge AC side given we see no wires leading away from the capacitor.

Yes your transformer addition will be one of the first ways. You are showing the primary in series with one side of the AC, but it could also be in parallel with the AC5 line as well.

Also, there has been talk about a short (I think 9 feet) length of coax wire that is "absolutely" required in the TK devices, besides any coax required in the TKc. So maybe a 9' coax can be rolled and fitted inside the tin can which is parallel with the AC5 and AC10 lines that then goes to output.

Whatever is inside that tin can has to be very small to accommodate as well all those wire connections going there. It cannot be to complicated electronics. It has to be as transparent as possible to let the energies pass with minimal hindrance otherwise it would create heat.

I was too busy last night but will start experiments along these lines tonight.

@all

Given the diagram I posted, there is a whole series of logical questions that can be addressed as to what is in the tin can. Since the 2004 build is open to all, the only place TK had to make all his wire connections is inside the tin can otherwise you would have had a 100% visible device showing all the inter wires connections. Besides that wire connections, he needs a way to producing the the HV for the spark. It could be any small HV transformer that could fit in the tin can easy and that would be a totally separate line that has no bearing on the device output so I will not be distracted or concentrating on that spark gap. Compared to the 1000+ watts output energy required to juice up the heater elements, that spark gap is consuming probably 2 watts at HV.

Please stay away form theorizing without pointing to a physical place in the TK builds. If you have a theory it should address a physical attribute otherwise we loose concentration. I am sure some guys are already trying out the circuit. It does touch on @Jack Noskills transformer since we do expect one or two small transformers are in the tin can. One for the HV to spark gap and maybe a 2nd high current low turns type to output.

wattsup

PS: In the Aq2, we can see two transformers in the back section.