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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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Grumage

Quote from: verpies on April 16, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
This is has 3 gotchas:
1) Royer oscillator frequency heavily depends on load.
2) Royer oscillator does not produce a sinewave which means that it generates other frequencies besides the one it is tuned to. (see attachment)
3) The temperature of the transistors and diodes affects its operating frequency and the frequency drifts with time.
I think so. 8Ω @ 175kHz is very convenient.
It should not make much difference. Because the skin effect will keep the RF current near the surface of the copper core anyway.
At the 175kHz the RF penetration depth will be only 0.16mm   :(

Here the relevant equation is:
D = 503210 * SQRT( R/(f*ur) )
where D: skin depth in mm, R: resistivity  in Ωm, f: frequency in Hertz, ur: relative permeability   

Making the copper core in a press out of passivated copper powder, would increase its resistivity and increase the RF penetration depth significantly.  This way more copper volume could be resonated.
The magnetic field inhomogeneity outside the coil would be even worse and even less of the volume of copper would be able to resonate at one frequency.
Two Helmholtz Coils (or a Maxwell Coil) and a plastic holder in the empty space between them would be the best substitute for the helical DC "carrier coil", that you have now.
Dear Verpies,

Many thanks for your prompt reply.

Please see attached for my Royer Sine wave.  I have 140 V p/p at 445 mA and it is pretty stable. Yes you are right about the frequency changing when you insert a sample but I noticed I could alter it by slipping off a turn or two!!

But I still do not have the power!!

Cheers Grum.

Hoppy

Quote from: NickZ on April 16, 2013, 02:33:02 PM
  Hoppy:
   I know what you mean, but from the translation it looks like the battery charger at the output from the device, is what is charging the source battery back so it won't discharge completely. If the battery charger is disconnected to device will still run from just the old dead battery, until it is drained. And probably much longer if the battery were in good shape.
So, no feed back is essential for it to run. And can even be started from the mains power without using a battery. But, maybe does need the battery to self run, while being charged back up by the battery charger. If no source battery is used, or grid input, etz...no power is obtained. It will not run without this source battery (or some type of input source), but will run without the feed back.  If I've got this wrong, please let me know.
  Using no feed-back, and ANY SOURCE as the 220v input to kick start, or maintain it working. This is how I understand the information given by the translation, that is almost 10 years old, before all the miss-information started. 
 
Please all:  Read that translation again.

Tk - saying that firstly when it starts working, primary coil gets power through spark gap.
TK - saying that in the spark gap interruption happens 50 times in one seconds. He is saying that in the spark gap is 50 Hz
TK - saying that the thick wire is the primary coil. He is saying that the most interesting thing is that the spark gap takes very little power. Then he is pointing finger on the inverter saying this is 400 watts inverter, but we are receiving 5 kilowatts from my device. 400 watts not fully needed. we are taking about 0.4 amp which is 400 milliamp (corrected by Nick), getting 5 kilowatts. I simply started charging battery from the output energy, today scientists calling this perpetual mobile, when from the output energy battery gets charged and the device is feeds itself. I did the test, output for charging the battery I disconnected from the battery and it worked from its own output power. The device works, gives 5 kWatts and just takes from the output what ever it takes 0.4 amp. So, this is the very positive result of this device. takes less and gives much more.  Now I do not know its max power output, it might give 6,7 8, kilowatts but at the moment I do not want to risk to burn anything, basically 5 kilowatts are enough. It needs about 0.4 amp 220 volts and gives about 24 amp 220 volts. This is the secret(not really the exact word, but is very similar) of this device.

I'm not necessarily talking about feedback to a source battery whether it be visible or hidden. I'm primarily thinking in terms of a controlled feedback e.g., from say the secondary to primary of a transformer in order to produce an unusual arrangement of components / wiring not normally designed into an electrical / electronic system. In other words thinking 'outside the box' to come up with unusual circuit configurations that TK might have experimented with that led to his demo devices. There may be some genuine clues in TK's description but then again there may also be some deliberately misleading information.

Grumage

Quote from: Hoppy on April 16, 2013, 03:36:35 PM
I'm not necessarily talking about feedback to a source battery whether it be visible or hidden. I'm primarily thinking in terms of a controlled feedback e.g., from say the secondary to primary of a transformer in order to produce an unusual arrangement of components / wiring not normally designed into an electrical / electronic system. In other words thinking 'outside the box' to come up with unusual circuit configurations that TK might have experimented with that led to his demo devices. There may be some genuine clues in TK's description but then again there may also be some deliberately misleading information.

Dear Hoppy,

This harks back to our recent discussion about the "Black boxes"  that you attached to your electricity meter to make them go backwards! BTW not you as in you!! :)

I had a freind that bought one I will have to see if he still has it, perhaps as you say a weird feedback could induce an even weirder outcome!!

Cheers Grum.

verpies

Quote from: Grumage on April 16, 2013, 03:28:20 PM
Please see attached for my Royer Sine wave.  I have 140 V p/p at 445 mA and it is pretty stable. Yes you are right about the frequency changing when you insert a sample but I noticed I could alter it by slipping off a turn or two!!
Does that give you the frequency tuning precision that you want?

Also, your Royer scopeshot appears to show PDC not AC, right?.
If it was AC that would mean 50VRMS - assuming a  pseudo sinewave.

Quote from: Grumage on April 16, 2013, 03:28:20 PM
But I still do not have the power!!
How do you know?  Are you feeding that 175kHz 140Vp-p into that 7μH coil ?

P.S.
For 36V 1A RF amplifier you can try the EL2009C video buffer.  It can handle even 1Ω loads.

Hoppy

Quote from: Grumage on April 16, 2013, 03:48:10 PM
Dear Hoppy,

This harks back to our recent discussion about the "Black boxes"  that you attached to your electricity meter to make them go backwards! BTW not you as in you!! :)

I had a freind that bought one I will have to see if he still has it, perhaps as you say a weird feedback could induce an even weirder outcome!!

Cheers Grum.

Evening Grum,

Yes. As Nick and others have pointed out, we visually see an untidy pile of electronic junk and may assume that there is something more sophisticated electronics hidden in his 'black boxes'. I'm suggesting that this may not be the case and the reality could be akin to what SM said in respect of his TPU - something to the effect that its the way the junk is wired that's most important. With this in mind, any unconventional approach to circuit build and configuration can tried with equal expectation of success. An NMR situation makes most sense to me at the moment, simply because Wesley has shown us that he has had some interesting experimental results.